- 2014-12-07 at 2:09 AM#9610+3
I have long identified myself as an Alpha male to make the strong distinguishment between me, and them well known, but recently I have discovered that Zeta male fits me much better. I have decide to dump the term Alpha male considering how many Mangina’s use it to place themselves on a pedestal, based off how much pussy they get, and how much simping they do to get it.
Zeta- A term coined from the star Zeta Persei of the constellation Perseus, named for the Greek God Perseus, slayer of Medusa, the female monster that feminists eventually embraced as representative of feminist rage. Zeta Male represents a slayer of the feminist monster.
“Why didn’t that guy show respect to that woman when he saw she could be placed first? He’s a Zeta Male and lives on his own terms. Besides, what reciprocal obligation does that woman have to men but “choices”.2014-12-07 at 5:26 AM#9618+5
Yeah I heard about the Alpha / Beta / Zeta / Omega male breakdown and descriptions for the first time several years ago. Never really thought about it in those terms before that, and I don’t think it’s a good idea to pigeon-hole yourself .
There are pretty “alpha”-type dudes out there who are the MOST PATHETIC white knights underneath their exterior. I also met some really tough guys who I learned where the biggest mangina / pansies too. Just like the meanest roughest toughest son-of-a-bitchin’ football player can tell you he’s gay after 5 years of knowing him, it’s much too limiting to think in those terms.
I’m part alpha way in my soul, have displayed some terribly beta moments I’m ashamed of (i blame s~~~ty conditioning), I could also be part zeta… and that leads me to believe it’s all horses~~~ like astrological signs. These terms are silly units of measure with regards to how we relate to women and even THAT is bulls~~~. Because i’ve been all three when dealing with women in the past. As well, THEY would perceive me differently too.
It’s only perception and presentation, really.
Don’t put too much thought into it. You’re you.. and that’s it. The rest is self discovery, and self-creation.
Don’t be the man a woman wants (or thinks you should be). Be the man you always wanted to be. And you won’t go wrong.
Even when you make mistakes, they will be YOUR mistakes.
That’s a far better problem than being HER mistake.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.2014-12-07 at 5:36 AM#9621+2
Too complicated for me.
- I’m not a chick magnet, so that makes me not an alpha.
I don’t take s~~~ from bullies, so that makes me an alpha.
I avoid unnecessary battles, so that makes me a not-alpha, but I’m losing track of my Greek letters.
The list goes on.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?2014-12-07 at 5:40 AM#9622+3
I think a real man is someone who doesn’t take crap from ANYBODY,doesn’t really need people around him too much,does his own thing on his own time and keeps most of his thoughts to himself.I have noticed that people who have to scream for attention really aren’t worthy of it.You know you are worthy when you get it at times when you DON’T want it and are doing nothing special to garner it.2014-12-07 at 6:54 AM#9634+1
You have a valid point KeyMaster, and offer great advice as usual perhaps I should dump the terms altogether !2014-12-07 at 7:00 AM#9635+2
perhaps I should dump the terms altogether !
Like all things, there’s definitely a value in understanding them.
An educated mind is one that can fully entertain a concept …. without accepting it.
Dig around, see if it works for you. If it doesn’t, get the f~~~ out.
Like the most interesting man in the world said:
“In this life, you gotta find out what you’re NOT good at. And then don’t do that thing”.
… which is another way of saying find out who you’re not, on the way to becoming who you want to be.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.2014-12-07 at 7:08 AM#9636+3
Another problem with the “Zeta Male” label is that when people first hear it, they’ll think it means you’re an admirer of Catherine Zeta-Jones.2014-12-07 at 7:22 AM#9638+1
Catherine Zeta-Jones! Now you’re cooking with gas! Well, actually, the CZ-J of 20 years ago. Now days, she has competition. Back then, she was arguably the most beautiful woman in Hollywood, and that’s saying something.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?2014-12-07 at 11:57 AM#9651
I’m a Omega / Sigma.
I am a chick magnet because of my looks, and possibly because of my idgaf im doing what i want to do attitude.
I don’t suck up to women and when conversing i don’t treat them any differently. If they say, act or behave like an imbecile i treat them as such.
I play by my rules, and you can see it from a mile away – this is one reason why i dress like a homeless guy, otherwise it’s too much of a hassle fending off all of the chicks.
However, because i am so absolutely extreme when i play by my rules, i p~~~ off A LOT OF WOMEN!
So i’m also an extreme Omega 😛
At first glance, women see a powerful attractive male, come closer, and they realize that they absolutely DO NOT want a man that plays by his rules 😛
On to the “Zeta”
I’d be-careful with that if i were you 😛
Zeta’s still follow someone else’s set of rules, they follow the rule of being anti-feminist.
You are going out of your way to be mean to women and it is really no different than what feminists do.
MGTOW is about “Men Going Their Own Way”
Thus, i think that the Omega / Sigma “labels” are the closest ones.
My Goal: To Leave Society.2014-12-07 at 1:17 PM#9653+3
I say F~~~ all the Terms. Just Learn to Be You and Do You. Discover Who You Really Are….And Create the Life You Really Want.
Don’t be the Moon reflecting other Muthaf~~~as’ Bullshiet Light. Be the Muthaf~~~in’ SUN…Shining on Some and Burning the Others.
Burn, Manvaginawood, Burn.2014-12-07 at 2:04 PM#9655+2
Applying one of those terms to myself only reveals how I’d like to think of myself, not what I actually am based on my actions, choices, options, etc… One guy’s Alpha is another woman’s mangina anyway. IMO, we should strive to be Zeta but realize it is a journey to a destination, not something inherent in our identity.
My life’s journey? I married and had babies with a feminist. Turned out she was a feminist when it suited her and a traditionalist when it worked out in her interest. I believe I would have enjoyed a marriage with a woman who 1) not only believed in equality but walked the talk and 2) truly did not need someone or something outside of herself to give her a sense of happiness and self-worth. The marriage ended simply because after five years I no longer turned her on or made her haaaappyyyy. (We stayed together another seven years after that.) The things she adored about me when we were dating became the very things she despised about me after five years.
This has nothing to do with feminism. It is just the way it is with women in all times and all places. The only difference was that in previous generations women (like our grandmothers) understood this and moved onto the next phase where loyalty to one’s family mattered more than warm fuzzies and wet panties. Nowadays society, the legal system and everything else is organized around the emotional whims of women. The only logical response for a man is to refuse to sign a marriage contract or procreate with a woman. Labeling a person an Alpha, Beta, Omega, or Zeta has nothing to do with it. So-called Alpha males and Beta males are in the same boat. The emotional state women call “being in love” can only be sustained for a period of four to seven years. After that it is dump the chump and move onto the next victim. Doesn’t matter if you are Brad Pitt or one of the guys on Big Bang Theory. It also doesn’t matter if the woman is a traditionalist, feminist, non-Western, born again Christian or atheist. The emotional state of “being in love” lasts less than a decade and the laws and family courts are now organized around this reality.
To quote the movie War Games, “The only winning move is not to play.”2014-12-07 at 8:51 PM#9676+1
One guy’s Alpha is another woman’s mangina anyway
Very true. Can just as easily be “alpha” to one woman.. and “beta” to another. Met a classic PUA recently (we openly talked IRL) and he was stereotypical in every way. Tattoos, buff, bad boy / handsome looks, dark, about 30 and admitted to struggling with his own character. He found himself checking his phone every 5 mins for a text from her. He’s always been in charge effortlessly, but having a tough time with this one. Thought it was very interesting.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.2015-01-27 at 12:24 PM#17635+2
Alpha, beta, sigma, omega. I can’t keep track of my greek alphabets. So I guess an gamma male is a dude struggling with anger and rage issues and has a problem turning green once in a while. But on a serious note, I don’t think mgtow can be pigeonholed. These terms are merely perceptions on how we or other people see us at a given time. A mghow could be a leader in his own community or profession and be perceived as being alpha. A mghow could also abstain from all interpersonal relationships with women and be perceived as being an omega. That’s why i don’t limit myself or define myself by them any more. We are larger than the label and that’s the cool thing about mgtow. It is a life philosophy but every man goes about it his own way. There is a lot of freedom in that.
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