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  • #341045
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    Blue Skies
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    Fundamental Mgtow Principles:

    the obvious one is: do NOT sign the marriage contract, and don’t impregnate. Doing these things give all of the poker chips to the wife/mother when they go to family Anti-family courts. Cohabitation is a bad idea in general, but in most states/provinces (common-law marriage bulls~~~ laws) cohabitation is legally better than signing the marriage contract.

    another principle, is don’t allow romance to be your number one priority in life. Better yet, don’t allow it to be your top 3 priorities. Live for yourself!

    What other Fundamental Mgtow Principles are there? lets discuss!

    MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

    #341048
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    Sidecar
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    No marriage. No cohabitation. No fertilization.

    Everything else is up to you.

    #341056
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    Be happy in what you choose to do in life, what is the point of going your own way if your still going to be misrible? Isn’t the pursuit of happiness what brought most people here anyway since the blue pill world is such a misrible place that they are sick of? Happiness came with the inner peace MGTOW afforded me. Walking away from the blue rat race is such a liberating thing. Its not one of the big MGTOW principles and it may not be one in anyone elses view, but it seems important to me.

    #341058
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    Eric Lauder
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    I disagree.
    Avoiding marriage is obiouvs, okay.
    But the it comes avoiding cohabitation: in some countries it’s almost the same as marriage (Canada, also Australia and Sweden) and most other western countries are going in such direction.
    Both marriage and cohabitation are about giving to THE WOMAN, an ADULT person, legal rights on practically ALL YOUR STUFF.

    Impregnating a woman is less dangerous, WAY less: she can take child support, and NOTHING MORE.
    She cannot take your house, you’re not going to being expelled from your house if you make pregnant a woman WHO DON’T LIVE WITH YOU.
    Child support is very often more reasonable than alimony: NEVER forget that the old saying was “women and children” NOT “children and women”.
    Try to google “most expensive child support” and you’ll be hurted by sums like 100k per month. 100K per month is, in 18 years, 21.6 millions.
    But then try to google “most expensive divorces”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/11181955/The-five-most-expensive-divorces-in-legal-history.html
    IT’S 2,000 TIMES MORE!!!
    NEVER forget that the old saying was “women and children” NOT “children and women”.
    It’s a GYNOCENTRIC society, not a “childcentric” society.

    There are even chances she’ll get an abortion or she’ll convince her boyfriend/husband that he’s the father: in both those cases there’s no child support.

    Reverse case: how many divorced women who were housewives or part-time didn’t take alimony from the husband? ZERO.

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    #341060
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    Anonymous
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    No marriage is a fundamental expression of the main principle of going your own way.

    But if you’re constantly still looking for ways to shack up with women, and constantly still defining your life through women, you’re not really MGTOW, you’re just trying to avoid consequences to your natural desire instead of having it fully deadened.

    MGTOW I think is when you’re so sick of the entitled modern Western woman that you just really don’t want anything to do with them. Personally I think that also extends to sex, but there are levels of this stuff I guess (I won’t define that or anything, just a notion of it).

    Exactly how much distaste for modern women does one have? Enough to avoid marriage? Enough to avoid cohabitation? Enough to avoid relationships? Or enough to avoid them altogether? That answer will be different for each person. But that first level I don’t think is negotiable, the idea of a married man being an MGTOW is fairly ridiculous. Everything else at least there are varying levels of maintaining sovereignty.

    #341061
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    Clu
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    This post comes at the proper time, as I have been thinking about what is wrong in my life.

    Since we men have the skills and women depend on us, we might think that somehow we have leverage.

    But we are naive, the tyranny of the weak is the DEMAND that the strong provide for then, and without retribution. It is the tyranny of the DUTY TO SERVE.

    This I think should also be a MGTOW principle: each person is self-reliant, and will serve nobody. Equal value retribution is due for our skills.

    Greetings, programs!

    #341063
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    Blue Skies
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    to clarify…long term cohabitation is a bad idea cuz they can easily get alimony.

    in some places they can get your assets.

    MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

    #341065
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    NeverAgain
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    don’t spend money trying to impress women.

    never have a joint bank acct. It’s almost better to throw away your cash in a dumpster than to have a joint bank acct.

    All good things come to an end.

    #341066
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    Blue Skies
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    the idea of a married man being an MGTOW is fairly ridiculous. Everything else at least there are varying levels of maintaining sovereignty.

    agreed. Married men are not Mgtows, they are like dogs on a leash.

    MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

    #341068
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    Sidecar
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    Impregnating a woman is less dangerous, WAY less: she can take child support, and NOTHING MORE.

    Not true. It is sometimes less expensive, but not always. And it’s always dangerous.

    She cannot take your house,

    But the courts can. They can arbitrarily decide how much child support you “should” be paying and impose that regardless of your actual ability to pay. And if you don’t make that much or can’t make that much, then you’re f~~~ed with no recourse. They can literally strip EVERYTHING away from you “for the sake of the child.” The child doesn’t even have to be yours. Your name doesn’t even have to be on the birth certificate. All it takes in some places is for a court to decide “the child sees you as a father figure” for the courts to siphon away your assets.

    No children. No exceptions.

    #341069
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    Blue Skies
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    Since we men have the skills and women depend on us, we might think that somehow we have leverage.

    But we are naive, the tyranny of the weak is the DEMAND that the strong provide for then, and without retribution. It is the tyranny of the DUTY TO SERVE.

    it’s important to accept the fact that women have better social skills than men. They are master manipulators. For example
    -small lies
    -big lies (e.g. that’s your baby)
    -emotional manipulation
    -tears
    -making men feel guilty
    -being weak and vulnerable on purpose
    -using the full force of the law
    -shame

    MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

    #341072
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    Sidecar
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    the idea of a married man being an MGTOW is fairly ridiculous. Everything else at least there are varying levels of maintaining sovereignty.

    agreed. Married men are not Mgtows, they are like dogs on a leash.

    It depends on where they are going. Unmarried MGTOW cannot get married, by definition, but married men can Go Their Own Way.

    It’s called divorce.

    it’s important to accept the fact that women have better social skills than men. They are master manipulators. For example

    Those sound more like anti-social skills to me.

    #341074
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    Eric Lauder
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    Quotes from “The Polygamous Sex” by Esther Vilar, actually better than her “The Manipulated Man”:

    This is about the power dynamic within an heterosexual couple:

    “Power consists in making oneself the goal of another person’s social instincts, without seeking to satisfy one’s own social instincts through him. The other then does everything one asks. Powerlessness consists in wanting or having to satisfy one’s social instincts through another person whose social instincts one has not succeeded in concentrating on oneself – one then does everything the other asks.”

    This explains why using a fleshlight (and, at a lesser extent, porn) destroys women’s power over men:

    “A man who wants to gain power over a woman must follow the example of women and condition his sex drive. If he succeeds in becoming as cold as she, she can no longer bait him with sex into the role of provider. At most she could offer herself as an equal sex partner, as dependent on him as he is on her. If men could abstain from sex at judicious intervals they might even succeed in normalizing the female sex drive – even make women desire them more than the other way around.”

    This could be a sort of MGTOW hymn:

    “When will women become civilized enough to stop mistreating men? When will they cease from training their lovers to become providers, merely because they have the power to do so?”

    SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

    #341076
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    AFT
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    My humble 2 cents worth is “NO F~~~s Given”, taken as literally as you like, is the essence of MGTOW for me.

    My perspective is women have always been the same, men are biologically evolved to want intimacy at some level, it is the environment (social and legal) that makes interactions with women punitive. Now I have finally applied the no f~~~s given mentality, with a side of “what’s in it for me”, and I have never been so free and at peace.

    When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

    #341079
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    Blue Skies
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    great discussion so far!
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    MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

    #341091
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    Eric Lauder
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    Wiping your dick on feminist curtains after f~~~ing her best friend or sister after you told her you love her then dump her the next day.

    I did it.
    She pierced all the tires of my car as act of revenge.
    I had been lucky: false accusations weren’t a thing here more than 20 years ago.

    SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

    #341094
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    Anonymous
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    Avoid all contracts and limitations on sovereignty.

    #341106
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    AFT
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    Bayerische Motoren wrote:
    it’s important to accept the fact that women have better social skills than men. They are master manipulators. For example
    Those sound more like anti-social skills to me.

    Anti social in terms of our straight forward communication style, but I think the missing piece of the puzzle is the environment has become so female primary orientated that these are the fundamental skills required to survive and hopefully thrive, in this feminist gynocentric social order.

    When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

    #341109
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    Zuberi Tau
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    Anything that jeopardizes your sovereignty should be avoided.

    No marriage, no child support, no alimony, no debt, no problems!

    #341114
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    Anonymous
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    No marriage. No cohabitation. No fertilization.

    Everything else is up to you.

    Avoid all contracts and limitations on sovereignty.

    These two pretty much sum it up for me. Sidecar sums it up as far as the site is concerned, and Free says it all for me in one sentence because I view things such as Military service as the worst form of slavery, and I would do everything I can to maintain my freedom of choice while protecting my sovereignty at every turn.

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