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- 2015-02-09 at 11:04 AM#21066+9
arguing with feminists and against gender bias does not work.
Google something called the victim triangle (I can’t add a picture). Feminism is merely a manifestation of the Drama Triangle. With feminists playing the role of “victim” and portraying men as the “persecutor” and there are plenty of white knights and similar to come to be the “rescuer” of the poor damsel in distress. Arguing with them just sets it up to say you’re the persecutor.
The best way to win is to step outside the game and not adopt any of the 3 positions (victim, rescuer and persecutor), this is what mgtow does.
Now, what does work is ostracism. Studies have show that it creates the same effect in the brain as physical pain (google it). People become co-operative when ostracised to win back approval. Even if the person is an enemy the effect is the same. It’s hard wired into us for evolutionary reasons.
Women are particularly sensitive to being ostracised.
The more guys that become mgtow the more women will be ostracised for mistreating men (either yourself or another man).
For example, why on earth would you date a woman who doesn’t let the father have joint parenting with the children? Why would you date any woman or be friends with her if she does not respect men and treat them as equals, because you’re next.
14 February 2015, it’s a “nice day for an ostracism” for women everywhere.
We (men) are 50% of the population, so let’s see what women think when this half of the population starts ostracising them until they treat all men with equality and respect.
And the rule is guilty until proven innocent. So until any woman proves she respects men as equals, she is guilty. No one cares about ‘not all women are like that’. Enough women are like that, so it is down to each woman to prove they themselves are not like that and until they do they can be taken to be guilty of being like that.
There are some women who are nice and respect men, so just be friends with them instead.2015-02-09 at 11:15 AM#21068+2
Good persective on the subject! Kudos!
That’s what I love about MGTOW.com; it’s a clearing house for MGTOW ideas and perspectives. I come here every day and read something that motivates thought, introspection, and ultimately personal growth. I believe we have something really unique in this site…and this is coming from someone who generally despises the garbage that is the interwebz/mass media. I am not easily swayed or impressed by much because I’ve seen too much in my time on this planet.HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...2015-02-09 at 11:23 AM#21071+1
Good point. It’s the women’s turn to prove they’re not “all like that” (though I don’t have much faith in them, as many women work in packs, and if a feminist is the leader of the pack, they will likely influence the others negatively).2015-02-09 at 11:52 AM#21079+3
@ Megachris%: in your brackets you’re talking about the “female hydra”, correct..?
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC2015-02-09 at 11:57 AM#21082+1
@Ned Trent – Thank you! That’s the term I was looking for! I actually heard that phrase for the first time last night, so it’s still a new term to me.2015-02-09 at 12:04 PM#21084+2
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I have to agree that the point is good. Thanks for that. Think outside the triangle!
They play the victim so well, they learned it at a very young age – swaying daddy.
Saying that “all men are rapists” sets all women up to be the victim…by default.
In my own relationships, I have seen a woman ridicule some manhating bitch on a movie in order to prove that she is “not like that” and to win favor with me. Meanwhile she herself did the same manhating bitch move recently in real life. I bite my tongue. Perhaps I should get used to ridiculing and ostracizing them for their hypocracies.
Women don’t like their friends to know that they have problems in their relationships. They would rather play make believe that everything is perfect. Then the breakup or argument/scene comes “out of nowhere” and the guy is a monster for deceiving her. She is the victim again. Can’t be blamed.
Fuq that game. I don’t wanna play.
Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.2015-02-09 at 12:54 PM#21098+2
Women are slave owners in our society. I don’t care if not all slave owners are like that – I want off the plantation.
MGTOW: the lesser of all evils.2015-02-10 at 9:39 AM#21444+3
The only problem I see with this idea is that once a woman knows that she is being ostracized, she will do whatever it takes to convince the guys she’s not like that. Then when the poor guy is sucked into believing her, she will just go back to her old self anyway.
Better to stay out of the game regardless of what they do.
The harder the fight the sweeter the victory2015-02-12 at 1:49 PM#22256+1
Better to stay out of the game regardless of what they do
Okay, true point there AussieBloke. Then again occasionally I like to provoke a bit and whenever I do I tend to try my best at holding a mirror up to those chicks by for a while pretending/acting to play their game (as in flirting with them) before swiftly going back myself to red pill MGTOW attitude. By that time usually I really like the frozen look on their faces, it’s priceless …
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC2015-02-14 at 9:22 PM#22975+1
Women are slave owners in our society. I don’t care if not all slave owners are like that – I want off the plantation.
Very interesting perspective indeed! Never thought of it that way… I too am leaving the plantation, reservation (any other ‘ation’ word that will fit).
"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt2015-02-14 at 11:20 PM#22989+1
While I agree with your argument, one is ill-advised to tell people to google things.
Since the burden of proving one’s position is on the claimant, not the reader, articles ought to be cited within the post itself.2015-02-14 at 11:26 PM#22990+1
Karpman drama triangle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?2015-02-17 at 5:35 AM#23627+1
Feminists are to be mocked and made the butt of jokes, not to be taken seriously. Live by that concept and you’ll be much happier.The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.2015-02-23 at 6:07 AM#25057+3
Hi all I`m new to this site but cannot figure out how to post on intro page
So Im going to post my story here, its a bit of a sad tale that I rarely get to verbalise.
The shame I feel for being such a p~~~baby and having such a tough time with no resolution has left me feeling trapped like the villans from a superman movie, frozen in a mirror hurtling through space.
I`ve always felt something was wrong with gender relations but never encountered a feminist partner until several years ago (yes this has been bugging me for years)
She came into my life at a very terrible time, I had been charged with a crime I didnt commit and was looking at 6 months of prison. I had run out of money for my defence and was preparing for a winter holiday. (more on this later)
She had purchased a ticket to Europe to ride the carousel prior to meeting me. She was going on a holiday to Europe I was going to prison.
I loved this woman with all my heart and wanted to be with her for the long haul, I was resigned to the fact I would lose her temporarily but in my madness I believed that she felt something for me, beyond lust. She lived at a house with many other women who would roam around in thier underwear and hop into diffrent beds each night, she was bi-sexual and from a religeous family..
When I first met her friends in her backyard I had this strange girl asking men how much money I make in a aggressive way, as she led me to her lair she explained “oh thats just —- she hates men”
That should have been my first warning flag but I was c~~~struck
We had deep discussions (i thought) about the importance of honesty in relations~~~s and she told me she would not sleep with other men just women before she left for OS. We were together for a couple of months and I was under extreme stress facing prison. I planned to abandon my Appeal and go into custody after she left. Due to my circumstances all her friends judged me harshly as did she, they were all dissapproving of me and not so shy. I questioned her sexual history with certain male “friends” and she lied as I was slowly becoming unpalitable. She would tell me to sexually dominate her then tell me “your doing it wrong” lol….she loved 50 shades of grey and was in her sexual prime, she had no tonsils 🙂
I know now that I was just the rebound guy, someone who reminded her of someone else, whom had rejected her (she loved that, and all Game)
One night I felt that I needed to save this relations~~~ from burning out and try for a win-win solution, as it was becoming clear that I loved her waaay more than any feeling her frozen pea heart could conjure. I told her that we should stop seeing each other as it was clear she would go on a goodbye f~~~ fest and I wanted her to myself. In the end I drove her home and she was in total shock that the pleb, me, would/could reject her..
She begged that we continue and I made her promise to write to me as often as she could, at least once a month (suckers payoff) So we went home and had crap sex, it was normally awesome but relations were strained. She promised to write plenty of letters and send happy photos. I explained to her I was know attached to her and would need support from her as my thoughts would be with her for a great part of the time….She gave assurances that she would return home within a year and write letters..
On our last night together she was hours late basicly cuckolded me and witheld sex – This was payback – I was such a simp that I still gave her a lift in the morning to the airport, at that stage, I was f~~~ed, any normal sane person would not rely on this woman for anything.
She rang me from Thailand said she missed me…loved me…would write
Prison was s~~~, waiting for letters- HELL…. She sent me one, 1 week in….then I didnt hear from her again…I went to solitary for sometime….no f~~~ing letters….I had given her so much was I not worth 10 minutes and 2 dollars a month…..nope
Upon release I must have been insane to think she might be on the other side of that gate….I was…and utterly devastated the fact I was “free” was good but…how did this happen to me? I let it happen…what a C~~~!….Most ppl go see hookers upon release, I hate hookers, I need to score to make up for lost time…By this stage Im well damaged goods, I look good can run game but the holes in me are obvious….cant get a f~~~
I swing into legal mode and start a s~~~storm and re-open and win my case- self reprasented….yeah it was that flimsy a case but I was naive about alot of things..
Years later Im still damaged, I attract women but when I open my mouth they freak out, barely contain my anger….Some random chick makes a pass at me commenting how everyone likes head, whilst she pours my beer makes me angry…Yeah you get head anytime you want f~~~in bitch I think to myself…She maintains radio silence to this day and poisons the well for me. Trying to overcome Beta rage and hide my power level are tough, I still feel like the dude in prison waiting for letters. anyways2015-03-16 at 12:40 PM#31415
Quite a few different perspectives on this, which is all good. The more of us there are doing different things the more difficult it is for them to respond.
Ultimately, we all still have to eat, go to supermarket, fill up our cars etc so we still have to interact with women to at least some degree. So we can still use those opportunities to train women how to treat men with respect. Turns out you can train women just like you can train Pavlov’s dog. Read the book “don’t shoot the dog” – pun not intended. If you see a woman being respectful and treating men with respect while you are out smile at her and make eye contact. If a woman is being disrespectful towards men in any way then tut at her and walk away. The opportunities are endless. But it’s guilty until proven innocent, so why even bother making eye contact with any woman anyway while you are out unless she proves she respects men.
They will soon get the message and learn. Men have trained women to be the way they are and we can untrain them just as easily.
If you too want to be an undercover evolutionary agent breed of mgtow, then feel free to join the game.
And thanks Roydal for posting the pic.
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