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  • #264705
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    Subtilitas
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    Hello fellows,

    as I have been observing, Men Going Their Own Way generally accept homosexual or bisexual men who (want to) pursue their own way, because they have detected, just like straight men, that they are in several aspects disposable and greatly, let’s say, disadvantaged by a society massively influenced by, among others, a perverted form of feminism and the people behind it, who are naturally in favour with it (women) or who are brainwashed or misguided in some kind (manginas gay or straight aso.). Or maybe they haven’t taken the Red Pill because of the big, crazy system called feminism, but because of certain female behaviour or traits, which they find to an extent to be repulsive. In fact, there was a time when feminists criticised gay men about how they would benefit from patriarchy (because they’re men after all) and hence how their trouble of being accepted was not as immeasurable as the pain women suffered.

    However, as someone who’s gay and who’s had a look into the gay scene, I percieve that masculinity has been driven out of gay culture (however we wanna define that) to a considerable extent to allow more femininity to be implemented – a glance at a gay parade will suffice. Today, it is not surprising at all to us that gay men often side with feminists, so to say. But why is that exactly? How exactly do they feel supported by feminist/gender ideas of these days?

    It is very often sensible to generalise, but concerning this topic… I am not sure whether gay men are to consider predominantly as manginas as I see there is a certain shift taking place, especially among bisexual men. Please note that this is just my personal experience, which I will continue with so we can imagine the thing better:

    Since the day I remember, the people I’ve surrounded myself with were women. They seemed open-minded and friendly, so much more open than all the boys in my class, who I felt rather avoided me. I became effeminate in appearance, behaviour and manner of speaking. Looking back at it now, I see how ridiculous I was. Neither was I “one of the girls” nor were the boys not open-minded. They simply sensed that I wasn’t being myself. Now I remember many occasions where I was with the guys and their behaviour rubbed off on me (oh, the ambiguity, lol). And I felt great and at peace with myself. It took me years to realise that for most girls I was a handy tool, an advisor or an emotional tampon, as you’d say. Eventually, I’ve grown a beard, literally as well as figuratively.

    So, this was a little excursion. Now what do you think are the dynamics behind women – gay men relationships?

    What has feminism exactly to do with gay men? and how do gays fit in MGTOW? (Hell, those unintentional puns.)

    I’m thankful for your opinions on that matter!

    #264757
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    Jan Sobieski
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    Gay Men are OK in my book as long as they understand that my friendship doesn’t mean interest.

    All men should go their own way, what ever that is.

    Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

    #264769
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    Enjoy The Decline
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    I read up somewhere in a social psychology book that if a guy has only female friends when he is young, there is more of a chance that he will become gay when he gets older. There is a reason behind it, because lots of people desire things that are exotic to them. It is because of that reason alone that many tribes of many people from many years ago had an incentive to mingle with people of other tribes to spread their genes and to get the human race to survive as a whole more.

    "Question everything" - Albert Einstein

    #264826
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    Anonymous
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    I think I can safely say that a hero of most MGTOW is one extremely intelligent gay man named Milo Yiannopoulos. I also know for a fact there are some tradcons here who have a lot of stuff upside down, and they are the ones I clash with most, but I can safely say, most of us don’t give a s~~~ if a guy is gay or not, we just care if he is intelligent, and not just another mangina.

    #264833
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    Anthony
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    As long as you’re not a flamboyant asshole like this, You’re ok in my book.

    The only other thing I hate about most gay men is that they like to announce to the world “they’re gay” as if it’s some kind of achievement.

    Almost every gay man I’ve ever met does this:

    “I’m gay”

    “As a gay man”

    “What, you think just because I’m gay I’ll do X?”

    And blah, blah, blah.

    Straight men don’t announce to the world that they’re straight. Unless you’re planning on f~~~ing someone, your sexuality is irrelevant.

    If gay men stopped doing that s~~~ as a whole, I wouldn’t have a problem with most of them to be honest. It’s the flamboyant asshole types I have a problem with. That s~~~ just creeps me out.

    Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

    #264851
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    Constantine
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    I have no problem with gay men joining MGTOW. Somebody once mentioned that it seemed a bit pointless, because gay men don’t get involved with women anyway. But at the end of the day, it’s still a guy who’s chosen to reject the gynocentric world, and whether you’re gay or straight, that can never be a bad thing. The gynocentric system needs to be rejected by as many men as possible. How else is the message going to get across.

    It’s not like if a lesbian wanted to join a feminist rally, the straight women there would say, “No, because you don’t have anything to do with men anyway. This is only for women who don’t associate with men by choice.” It’s hard to see that happening. More likely they’d say come in, the more the merrier.

    It took me years to realise that for most girls I was a handy tool, an advisor or an emotional tampon, as you’d say.

    Yeah what is it with women and treating gay men as pets? Any time a woman meets a gay guy, she tends to invite him out shopping with her, so that the two of them can have a “girl day”. I’ve always wanted to see a gay man bark at her, “F~~~ you, I’m not a girl – want me to prove it?!”

    To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell

    #264857
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    Anthony
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    Yeah what is it with women and treating gay men as pets?

    I have no idea to be honest. One time, I saw about 30 minutes of this dumbass movie on Showtime. God, I wanted to puke. It’s called “My gay best friend mangina” Women obsessing over gay men just means they want another mangina to hang around them at all times as a fashion accessory.

    Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

    #264893
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    Brujah
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    Can’t really speak on the social dynamics so I can only speak from experience as a bisexual man who has been in relationships with both genders.

    One might automatically assume that gay men are simply men with male hardware and female software. This is not always the case. Might make exceptions for feminine men or bull dykes but these aren’t as common. However, AWALT. No matter if they decide to graft themselves a beard and surgically attach a dick to themselves.

    The only times where a gay men ever posed a problem were the extremely flamboyant or feminine ones who are poisoned by a clique of female friends.

    Homosexual men in MGTOW almost seems odd but the only difference I think is the removal of the biological weakness for females. Not wanting to put up with female nature itself is one of the driving force of MGTOW so anyone not wanting to do so would most certainly be welcome.

    Not all of us here have been burnt by the system. It is not a pre-requisite to go your own way.

    #264925
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    Atton
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    how do gays fit in MGTOW?

    Well that is rather simple the M in MGTOW is for men. Before a man is gay he is a man, before he is an Atheist, Christian or Catholic he is a man.

    A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

    #264954
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    GonzoZiiByrnnar
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    I have a gay friend (male) Me and my best friend always tell him how lucky he is to not be attracted to women. That’s how I know being gay isn’t a choice, because I would have chosen it! Sadly I like the vujayl, just don’t like the manipulative mind that supports its vitality. Im like a lot of these people here, I don’t like whiney little gay-men that act like swishy drama queens and whose whole existence is defined by what they stick their dick in. They act that way because the women they are around act that way and they think that is what men want. No Thank you. Never thought about it but I might try and sway him to MGTOW since at least some are open to it.

    Rule Of T.A.W.E.D. Trust a woman = Death

    #264960
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    Keymaster
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    I read up somewhere in a social psychology book that if a guy has only female friends when he is young, there is more of a chance that he will become gay when he gets older.

    The person who wrote that is a probably a woman or a feminized man who didn’t think first. That’s like saying putting a child in a room with a piano will increase his chances of becoming Mozart. He could still be totally disinterested in it, and no piano will ever MAKE him a virtuoso at it.

    They don’t “become” gay. They already WERE.

    Attraction is not a choice. We know this because when you are driving down the street, and you do a double take to get another look at the hot chick with the great rack, it’s not a “choice”. You actually risk your own safety to do it. If attraction were a choice, women could “decide” to be attracted to the nice guy… and they wouldn’t be all confused about why they prefer to have sex with jerks and violent abusive men.

    “OMG I can’t believe I slept with that asshole”.
    “He’s totally not my type, but I can’t seem to get him out of my head.”.

    Proof that attraction is not a choice.

    Now what do you think are the dynamics behind women – gay men relationships?

    You don’t need to look very far to notice women hate gays.

    “What are you …… GAY??????”

    They actually use the word as a slur and an insult towards straight men who aren’t trying to f~~~ them. I once simply told a woman to keep her dog on a leash, and the first thing she did was hurl some anti-gay epithet that was so hateful I won’t repeat it here. Criticize a woman for her own behavior and she will sling some comment of the homosexual variety with more intensity than a rabid wolf.

    All I could think was “why do all women seem to hate gays so much??”. She could have just called me an asshole, or used any other kind of insult. But she went right for the “gay” because she thought it was the WORST possible thing she can call me. I couldn’t help but laugh.

    Then I realized it’s because she can’t manipulate gay men with her vagina. She can’t use her sex to gain any favor. So when a straight man is not acting favorably towards her, in her mind he *MUST BE GAY*. Not having a man suck up to her for sex is definitely gonna p~~~ women off when they are so used to it.

    What has feminism exactly to do with gay men?

    Nothing really. Feminists selected themselves for extinction and go out of their way to be as repugnant as possible – with toxic green hair, s~~~ty combative attitudes, low-class behavior and all of that. They make a real EFFORT.

    Gay people will not breed by nature.

    how do gays fit in MGTOW?

    MGTOW is not something to “fit into”. It’s an individual lifestyle CHOICE.
    Being “gay” is not a choice because attraction is not a choice.

    A woman can’t “decide” to truly want to have sex with you or talk herself into it — and she can’t talk herself OUT of being attracted to the wrong man either. And no matter how much some gays WISH they were straight, they can’t change their minds about it. Therefore attraction not a choice. As soon as that is understood and accepted, answers reveal themselves.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #264962
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    Sidecar
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    how do gays fit in MGTOW?

    I’m sure gay men can get just as fed up with gynocentric bulls~~~ as straight men.

    On a slightly related note:

    Not being gay myself I don’t know this for sure, but I have always suspected that gay men actually have it easier relationship wise than heterosexual men. I’m not saying it’s easy, just easier.

    Especially in gay marriages. Because marriage any more is basically a business contract, and men, gay or straight, are soooo much easier to work with than women.

    Like in a gay marriage there wouldn’t be a huge fight over getting a big screen television versus new curtains. Worst case scenario you get both.

    Meanwhile, lesbian marriages must be nightmares for all concerned.

    a glance at a gay parade will suffice.

    I have never understood why having a parade dedicated to being the biggest freakshow possible and calling it “pride” is somehow supposed to promote gay acceptance.

    You don’t need to look very far to notice women hate gays.

    That’s not hate. It’s contempt. Which is worse.

    They have a smiling contempt for gay men because gay men have no utility to offer them, financially or otherwise, and also represent potential, even if slight, competition for men whose wallets they might have a chance at getting into. Or to put it another way, we all know what absolute backstabbing venomous bitches women are towards other women. Well they treat gay men the same way. But they also treat gay men as they would men who have nothing to offer them. A gay man is to a woman a combination of a rival for homecoming queen and a penniless bum on the street. In public it’s all smiles and sympathy, but in private, look out!

    #264964
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    Keymaster
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    Meanwhile, lesbian marriages must be nightmares for all concerned.

    You got that right. Here is a video by Barb in which it reveals the dynamic of lesbian realtionships/marriages. No man is involved at all, but because there is a woman in the mix, you get nightmare conflicts. Lesbian footage and testimony included.

    Lesbian couples are 167% more likely to divorce.

    Fast forward to 18:45

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #264965
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    Jackinov
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    I appreciate this post because it’s one of the first of this type not to be a troll post.

    Honestly, I don’t mind gays, as long as, like Jan said, they don’t misunderstand my friendliness. But that goes for women as well, come to think of it.

    Gays are what women truly fear most, because it’s literally the ultimate act of disinterest. Women do this thing where they talk sweetly in your face but rip you apart behind your back. That, I suspect, is why women are such good “friends” with gay men. They don’t really like them, but just want to either act like ALL men just want to dote over them, straight or not, or maybe it’s just a sort of control thing in general, using you as a emotional tampon or whatever else. Keeping you at her service, in a way.

    are you a chia pet in man drag

    #264981
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    Subtilitas
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    I have never understood why having a parade dedicated to being the biggest freakshow possible and calling it “pride” is somehow supposed to promote gay acceptance.

    Neither have I. The whole “pride” thing is ridiculous to me mainly because firstly, your sexual orientation is no achievement and secondly, why in the world would you promote a sexual orientation? Sure, the people organising this are probably aware that this is absurd, but that doesn’t change the impression of “Being gay is cool, you should try it, too!” that somebody may get looking at that freakshow, as you call it. Acceptance is good, but I think events dedicated to it are conducted wrongly these days.

    Almost every gay man I’ve ever met does this:

    “I’m gay”

    “As a gay man”

    “What, you think just because I’m gay I’ll do X?”

    And blah, blah, blah.

    Yes, yes, it’s true, however not surprising as most people enjoy the special attention they get when they’re different in some way. I’d advise everyone to ignore that behaviour or answer in a way that shows you’re tired of that s~~~.

    Not being gay myself I don’t know this for sure, but I have always suspected that gay men actually have it easier relationship wise than heterosexual men. I’m not saying it’s easy, just easier.

    Actually, I am not sure about that. Concerning sex, gay men may have it easier in some regard, as I believe that men’s sex drive is stronger than women’s due to different brains, hormones etc. A gay guy will find a partner for intercourse very quickly, without a courtship dance or having to offer or pay him anything. “We’re both horny, we don’t find each other ugly, so let’s get it on.” Sure, reality is always more complex, but that’s the basic idea. In a different thread, someone wrote that he has observed that gays are often very direct if they find someone attractive and want to have sex with him, which is very true and can confirm based on personal experience. Relationship wise, however,… I’d have to ponder over that for a while to be able to answer.

    #265090
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    Enjoy The Decline
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    I read up somewhere in a social psychology book that if a guy has only female friends when he is young, there is more of a chance that he will become gay when he gets older.

    The person who wrote that is a probably a woman or a feminized man who didn’t think first.

    It was actually a male author who claimed that he never had been in an actual fight his entire life I believe. Not saying that you have to be in a few fights in your life to not be a feminized man or anything though. It is not like he did any of the studies himself even.

    "Question everything" - Albert Einstein

    #265141
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    Knights Templar Rising
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    I happened to date a few “f~~ hags” in college. I went to dozens of gay clubs, and house parties etc. All white girls now look at acquiring a “GBF” in college, like getting one of those little lap dogs. Do gay men want to be treated like an “accessory” no different than an expensive purse? And yes, somehow gay men have been “dumbed down” into thinking they have to be effeminate and overly preened…I’m sure very few Spartans acted like Jack from Will & Grace.

    Sovereignty above all else.

    #265146
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    Narwhal
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    I’ve never had a problem with individual gay men that I’ve met in my life. Sometimes friends, sometimes just acquaintances. In and out of the closet. I do have a problem with gay politics. Where I seem feminism and LBGT have in common is many of their causes seem to be less about equality and more about wanting special treatment.

    For example, it’s been said in the media repeatedly that in Texas, an employer can fire you because you’re gay. While not untrue, the truth is an employer doesn’t need to have a reason to fire you in Texas. It’s not a special law designed to put the gay man down, it’s a law about allowing employers to control how their business is run.

    I also seems that much of what gay politics fight for has nothing to do with gay rights, but with societal acceptance. As it is with feminism, the best way to be equal is to just be equal. Trying to force it on me tends to have the opposite effect, even though I don’t even want to care.

    All that said, I think in a few years, gay marriage (or rather divorce) could bring about a turning point for men’s rights. There will be a public case where a well off guy gets financially raped from his ex-husband during the divorce. I can see it getting appealed and the courts deciding that a gay man can’t leave a marriage with 1/2 if he didn’t contribute to half the finances. That in term, will question why a hetero marriage.

    As far as gay men being MGTOW, yes, but so much of MGTOW has to do with sexual relations, marriage, etc. Sure, a gay man can sympathize, but it’s not all that different then a woman who sympathizes with men’s causes. Not saying that a gay man would have an ulterior motive, but it’s not an issue they need to address in their lives.

    Ok. Then do it.

    #265260
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    Sidecar
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    You got that right. Here is a video by Barb in which it reveals the dynamic of lesbian realtionships/marriages. No man is involved at all, but because there is a woman in the mix, you get nightmare conflicts. Lesbian footage and testimony included.

    Damn. I guess I f~~~ing called that. I always figured that in lesbian marriages the bulls~~~ and drama is more than just additive. It’s not like adding two piles or ordure together. It’s more like shoving two barely subcritical chunks of plutonium together.

    Honestly, I don’t mind gays, as long as, like Jan said, they don’t misunderstand my friendliness.

    I’ve never really understood homophobia in other heterosexual men either. I mean why would a heterosexual man care about the sexual preferences of another man? It makes no sense. Being heterosexual he would have absolutely no interest in a sexual relationship with another man, so why would that man’s sexuality matter to him? It’s like if I see a red haired, fat, ugly feminist chanting in the street waving her little sign and screaming about “patriarchy”. She might be a lesbian, or she might not, but I don’t give a f~~~ either way because I have absolutely no interest in f~~~ing her. I am no more interested in knowing her sexual orientation than I am in knowing the sexual orientation of, say, a tree. My disinterest makes her sexuality irrelevant.

    The only reasons for heterosexual homophobia that I can come up with might be that the homophobic men are actually closeted themselves and self loathing, but that’s really just baseless speculation. Or it might come out of some bulls~~~ gynocentric drive – some men might use homophobic posturing to emphasize their own masculine utility to women (a.k.a. pussy begging). Either way, I can’t come up with a cause for homophobia that doesn’t stem from personal weakness of the homophobic.

    As to homosexual men accidentally misunderstanding my friendliness, unless they outright tell me they are interested (which has happened and I’ve always politely declined), then I have no clue if they are or not. I can read female attraction signals if I care to pay attention, but I’ve never learned to read the same cues in men. I’ve never seen a need to learn how.

    And that has to suck for gay men, because they are interested in the sexualities of other men. I kind of feel sorry for them having to deal with an extra level of complication like that.

    Neither have I. The whole “pride” thing is ridiculous to me mainly because firstly, your sexual orientation is no achievement and secondly, why in the world would you promote a sexual orientation?

    I have to believe that the “pride parade” gays are just a small, vocal, extremely embarrassing minority in the larger homosexual population. I have a few friends and employees who are probably homosexual. I don’t know for sure because it’s none of my business, and I don’t really care, but bringing the same male “good friend” to every company function for the past couple of years might be a sign. They are, to a man, embarrassed every pride week. One is particularly vocal about it – if it weren’t for his complaints I generally wouldn’t even know when pride week is happening. If they are homosexual, and this anti-pride stance isn’t just some odd sort of closeted homophobia – which I doubt, then they probably fall into the homosexual majority who prefers dignity to “pride”.

    Relationship wise, however,… I’d have to ponder over that for a while to be able to answer.

    It’s hard to know for sure because making a direct comparison would require being both heterosexual and homosexual so you can fully experience both kinds of relationships. And All Men Are Different so even comparing between different gay relationships is also difficult. Despite all that, I think it’s probably true. I base this on divorce statistics. Gay marriages are by far the least likely to get divorced (while lesbian marriages are the most likely). Now that could be because gay marriage is a fairly recent thing, so most gay marriages might just be established couples who worked out their partnership long before their marriage was legalized, but the high rate of lesbian divorce argues against that possibility.

    However while I think gay relationships are easier than heterosexual relationships once established, it’s probably a hell of a lot harder for homosexual men to establish a relationship in the first place. I mean all a heterosexual man needs to do to get into a heterosexual relationship with a woman is have a fat wallet (and then he’s screwed – in more ways than one). At the very least in addition to all the regular due diligence crap every man has to go through to see if a relationship is viable (though many foolish men don’t), homosexual men also have to first work out if their intended is actually homosexual himself. That might be why the flamboyant camp “pride” stuff evolved – as an obvious set of signals to bypass the need to first establish the other person’s sexual preference. If you meet a man in a rainbow speedo and feather boa at a pride parade, you know he’s gay – it’s no mystery to uncover. Then there’s AIDS and all that other s~~~ that homosexual men have to worry about so much more than heterosexual men. I mean that all has to suck, and I am so glad I don’t have to deal with it.

    But at least homosexual men don’t have to worry about Oops! pregnancies or spermjacking.

    Of course this is all speculation on my part. As a heterosexual man who doesn’t do relationships I’m no more qualified to expound on homosexual relationships than an ant is qualified to discuss Bengali politics. I’m just voicing my suspicions, observations, and what makes sense to me.

    I believe that men’s sex drive is stronger than women’s due to different brains, hormones etc.

    Oh no. Women are far FAR hornier than men. You have no idea. They’re just very indirect about it. Men are, as you have yourself observed, whether straight or gay, direct and up front about sex. So men appear on the surface to be more interested in sex, but that appearance is deceiving. No man anywhere, straight or gay, obsesses about sex like how women do.

    #265280
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    STORM
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    Gay men can be MGTOW, because they are emotional tampons for a woman, and the woman doesn’t even have to f~~~ them to use them as an emotional tampon. Basically … i’m saying women see homosexuals as free tampax.

    So yes, i can’t blame any gay man for getting sick of it, and deciding to close down the free tampax stand.

    Welcome to MGTOW.

    If we listen to a female at all, It's no longer to find out if they're crazy, we know they're crazy, It's to find out what flavor.

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