Mom's Christmas call

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  • #919209
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    EG
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    So my mom reached out.

    To recap: last March I treated my sister to an expensive concert by our favorite band as an early birthday present. I expected her to get drunk and was prepared to babysit her, but I wasn’t prepared for a pre-planned fight and a One-Phone-Call situation. Long story short, she picked an argument with me after the concert at my place and proceeded to run out into the hallway screaming so that my neighbors would hear, and presumably call the police on me. I might also have left out the final critical detail which was her final text to me saying “You no longer have a sister”. And guess who mom is siding with? So I’ve been no-contact with my sister since March and her number is blocked. Mom and I only communicate through text; my choice. She and I have had this weird little power-struggle thing going on since last fall which has nothing to do with my sister, incidentally.

    Lo and behold, my ex (boyfriend) received a message from her a couple weeks ago wondering WHY I won’t talk to her!! Like, “What did I do wrong??” I asked him to stay out of it, which he is. He’s even more red-pilled than I am! Anyway…

    So time goes by and things are nice and peaceful. Then a couple nights ago I receive a call from my mom and I let it go to voicemail, and she leaves none. The next morning I texted her to note that I saw she called but didn’t say anything. So she calls and I pick up. This is the first time she’s heard my voice since last Christmas. So she tells me she misses me and asks me how work is going, etc. Then she brings up Christmas: “So I guess you’re not coming to dinner at your aunt’s house.” Nope. I’m staying home and having a peaceful Christmas by myself at home, then spending time with friends.

    Then, before she had a chance to start grilling me for answers, I told her I had to leave for work and said goodbye. She started to cry and said goodbye. I stayed emotionless and went about my day.

    She had also sent me a Christmas card with a note inside saying how she just wants her family to get back to normal and have a nice Christmas with us all together. Now, this is worth noting and it says everything about why I’m not going home to see her despite what she wants. Her note puts responsibility for this mess squarely on me even though it was 100% my c*nt sister’s doing, as if I deserve a) that kind of thank-you for an expensive night out, b) to be told when I’m no longer wanted as a brother and then told when it’s time to come back, c) to take any blame for my sister’s outburst whatsoever when it was my quick thinking and de-escalating skills that KEPT ME OUT OF JAIL THAT NIGHT.

    Mom knows all of this. I had a lengthy conversation with her through text – so that she could scroll back up and reread everything until it sinks in – and she still flatly disregards every single point.

    It’s as if she wants to get my arguments out of the way so that I have nothing left to justify how I feel. All she has to do then is sit there and let everything go in one ear and out the other. And once I get it all out of my system, then it’s time for her to tell me what SHE “needs” and what I “need” to do. See how it gets twisted back around so it’s my problem? She cried because she knows I’m onto her. I don’t believe it’s just because she wants to see her only son at Christmas, it’s because I’m not giving in as planned. And if I forgive my sister this time, the abuse will be twice as bad next time. I believe that 100%. Even family can cuck you.

    They need the shock of having an empty chair where I would sit this Christmas. If c*nt sister’s little ploy ended as badly as it could have, I would still be dealing with legal ramifications of it even if she herself wanted to drop it. DV arrests don’t work that way. And guess who mom would be siding with then??

    In the grander scheme of things I wish that more men would be willing to give their abusive families and partners empty chairs for Christmas. To be continued….

    Let every dollar of these woke companies’ marketing budgets be lost on you as MGTOW

    #919211
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    Awakened
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    Yeah, there’s NOT ONE family member that I wish was still in MY LIFE….My only regret is that I didn’t ghost them sooner, but hey that’s MY CHOICE, and I have NO PROBLEM living with MY CHOICES.

    You have to find what YOU CAN LIVE WITH, and what YOU WANT TO LIVE WITHOUT….

    In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

    #919213
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    Bub
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    ”What a great advantage a man can have over women, if he only knew what cold and calculating thoughts are going through her mind…. while her eyes are brimming with tears.”

    “The idea of ‘family’ can and will be used against you.
    If ‘family’ takes advantage of you, punt the c~~~-suckers.”

    A couple quotes for you from the archives of MGTOW

    Just rolling down the road

    #919220
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    Stealth
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    Similar story here. Family goes ape s~~~ and pushes me out of the clan. Then slither back around inviting me to church and acting fake-polite with sobbing mothers, fueled by nostalgia–that is until I get close and it happens all over again.

    "Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

    #919225
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    Secret Agent MGTOW
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    Your problem is you engaged her again. Seriously.

    Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

    #919243
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    Sandals
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    No good deed goes unpunished.

    You’re gay? Sis must hate you because you took a man out of the dating pool. Now she has to compete harder for a wallet.

    Two men, now that I am thinking about it.

    Stay away from moms. And sisters.

    #919273
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    Monk
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    See how it gets twisted back around so it’s my problem? She cried because she knows I’m onto her. I don’t believe it’s just because she wants to see her only son at Christmas, it’s because I’m not giving in as planned.

    This is classic AWALT manipulation.

    And if I forgive my sister this time, the abuse will be twice as bad next time. I believe that 100%.

    How many times has this scenario been played out – man comes back and is thereby set up for the next, and even bigger fall. They trade on mens good nature.

    They will never stop until they either get what they want (you under the thumb, ideally ‘cured’ and back on the plantation), or if they can’t have that, destroyed out of spite.

    Don’t drink the Kool Aid. Cut them off for good. No texts, nothing.

    #919283
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    Secret Agent MGTOW
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    You coming back to them is viewed as a sign you were wrong, and that you are weak.

    It’s why women and weak women-like men can’t handle God, the just and perfect side of God. The part of God that says I do not change for you, you don’t come to me on your terms, you come to me on MY terms, no exceptions, for anyone.

    They hate God for being true and perfect like that. He is strong and unwavering. He doesn’t make exceptions no matter what you try to get Him to do. They hate they cannot manipulate God. God keeps His word. God always does what He says He will do, and He never does what He says He won’t do.

    Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

    #919288
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    SpiderHerder
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    Hi EG !

    As sad as it is to say and hear, these people don’t change and will NEVER change.

    One must not play their game. Walk away, forever.

    #919289
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    Bstoff
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    As long as you are on the outside, they will have only the echo chamber they have created against you.
    But if you cave and start communicating with them again, they will likely use your words against you and devise new excuses and ways to separate you from them.
    You have nothing to gain by communicating with them, but I think you already know this.
    From what you have told us, I think both you and your BF are doing the right thing in staying away from them both.

    #919297
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    EG
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    You coming back to them is viewed as a sign you were wrong, and that you are weak.
    It’s why women and weak women-like men can’t handle God, the just and perfect side of God. The part of God that says I do not change for you, you don’t come to me on your terms, you come to me on MY terms, no exceptions, for anyone.
    They hate God for being true and perfect like that. He is strong and unwavering. He doesn’t make exceptions no matter what you try to get Him to do. They hate they cannot manipulate God. God keeps His word. God always does what He says He will do, and He never does what He says He won’t do.

    Indeed I’m well aware that everything I say can and will be used against me. I cut the call short as soon as she started broaching the subject of my absence specifically for this reason. Up to that point it was all small-talk about work and such. But I was paying attention to the flow of the conversation because she’s pretty sly; before you know it she’ll have you answering a string of questions rapid-fire while she talks over you the whole time. It won’t be a calm and enjoyable back-and-forth chat, it will be a questioning session that will leave you mentally exhausted. So the instant she brought up my absence at Christmas this year…oops!! Time to go!

    I wanted her to hear from my own mouth that I’m not coming around and that I really mean it. I got the reaction I wanted. She wasn’t the only one approaching this conversation with a plan. And most importantly, she never got to corner me and make me run my mouth. As soon as she brought up Christmas I confirmed my non-RSVP and I ended the call, period. It didn’t take long at all.

    Now here’s the crucial part: prior to all of this nonsense it was out of the question that I’d ever move away from my current region because I wanted to stay within a certain radius of my family. That is completely out the window, now. If I ever get a job offer somewhere else, I’m taking it. My mom is not privy to any decision-making in regard to such turn of events, she will find out about it once the move has taken place. She’s getting older and it was always assumed that my sister and I would be there for her as she ages. I was supportive of that plan up till this year. But now that I see what type of abuse I’ll be expected to endure I have no reason to build the second half of my life around her needs especially when c*nt sister lives in the same town as her and I already live in another state. Any move I make from here will be further from her, not closer. She will have no say in it, of that I will make sure.

    Let every dollar of these woke companies’ marketing budgets be lost on you as MGTOW

    #919305
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    TaxGuy
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    She’s getting older and it was always assumed that my sister and I would be there for her as she ages.

    Bingo! There you have it. She’s realized that she won’t be able to count on you, to use you. But she picked sides, you didn’t. In the words of the immortal John Rambo “They drew first blood.” You didn’t go looking for a fight, you sister brought it on and your mom picked a side. Then she realized she picked the wrong side.

    It’s actually a little amazing that a woman old enough to have grown children would choose sides with another woman. She has to know how cold and calculating your sister is, it’s not like they’ve never met.

    Order the good wine

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    Monk
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    It’s actually a little amazing that a woman old enough to have grown children would choose sides with another woman. She has to know how cold and calculating your sister is, it’s not like they’ve never met.

    The HIVE always has priority. Morality has nothing to do with it.

    #919356
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    SpiderHerder
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    She’s getting older and it was always assumed that my sister and I would be there for her as she ages. I was supportive of that plan up till this year.

    Sounds like they deserve each other. Let them grow old, bitter and deranged together. GO YOUR OWN WAY !

    #919419
    IMickey503
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    This entire thread man. Its like cancer of the soul. I’m not saying its not the right advice, or good advice. What I am saying is that its just f~~~ed up that the truth is the game you win but lose, LOOSELY SPEAKING.

    We all know how this SHOULD work out. But is it? No.

    In the real world, women are not going to change. Women are not going to go.. “Oh dear me! I have been a C~~~! Better change or at least save the holidays for everyone!”

    Hell no. Women do not do that. There is no Santa Clause and there is no Good will towards all men. There is no Happy Fat man, nor Ms. Clause. Ms Clause is a robot Sex doll made by the Gay Elves of Christmas. That’s the only reason why S~~~ gets done at the North Pole!

    Yes. I am DISAPOINT! But its not going to make the truth any easier to swallow. If my car has no gas, I’m not going to get anywhere. If women have no reason to change, they won’t. If women see it? THEY STILL WON”T! And why is this so F~~~ED UP?

    THIS IS FAMILY! What the HELL MANG! FAMILY IS NOT SUPPOSE TO DO THIS! No wonder we in the USA and in the west are so f~~~ed up. We just threw away the family like it was a Fast food Cold burger. Women never valued any of it. WIthout men telling them what to do, they just go back to being their Natural for the most part. And their natural is nothing good.

    I’m sorry. I’m absolutely disappointed in this whole damn thing. This is NOT how it should be. But here we are? Lets just keep throwing more of our civilization in the Dumpster fire of life.

    You want MY ADVICE? Don’t listen to me.

    But if it was me? If I WAS E.G.? This is how I would deal with this.

    I would use guilt and manipulation to change their discourse and leverage whatever power I can to make them understand that what they are doing is f~~~ed up. And make it clear that they are being Ultimate Harlots and Douchebags! Tell them at the end of the day, you are going to be with another family, and its better then yours, and Manipulate the F~~~ OUT OF THEM!

    I would treat them like f~~~ing Trash and use them like I was playing an instrument trying to get the notes that I want it too.

    Sadly? Does this make you MORALLY GOOD? No. But the truth is that men ran things THEY made sure we were all strong and did some BACK HANDED S~~~ to get it done.

    WOmen and families need leadership. This is to build strength and strong ties. However…. 🙁

    The sad truth is God I hate F~~~ING saying this…

    There is no reason for you to do so E.G.. You can’t understand how much I hate agreeing with the other men here. Hell it took me a day or so to even try to respond. Most of the time I won’t for the better of the whole. But this s~~~ just stinks..

    Simply. Its too late.

    You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

    #919420
    IMickey503
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    And I really need to do a fan edit for that Music video. To bad I missed the contest.

    You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

    #919426
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    Autolite
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    Yeah, there’s NOT ONE family member that I wish was still in MY LIFE….My only regret is that I didn’t ghost them sooner, but hey that’s MY CHOICE, and I have NO PROBLEM living with MY CHOICES.
    You have to find what YOU CAN LIVE WITH, and what YOU WANT TO LIVE WITHOUT….

    What Awakened said ^^^.

    Many many years ago I had to cut my entire family out of my life, permanently. They were toxic people and I never regretted doing that. But if you were to decide to go that route, there must be absolutely zero contact. No calls or letters or texts or anything. No contact by third person proxy either. It will only prolong the separation process.

    But ultimately it’s a very personal decision that only you can make depending on how much shhit you’re willing to put up with…

    #919432
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    Monk
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    BThis is how I would deal with this.I would use guilt and manipulation to change their discourse and leverage whatever power I can to make them understand that what they are doing is f~~~ed up. […] and Manipulate the F~~~ OUT OF THEM!

    No – this means that they are in control, dictating your actions.

    The door. Forever. It’s the only way.

    #919436
    IMickey503
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    BThis is how I would deal with this.I would use guilt and manipulation to change their discourse and leverage whatever power I can to make them understand that what they are doing is f~~~ed up. […] and Manipulate the F~~~ OUT OF THEM!

    No – this means that they are in control, dictating your actions.
    The door. Forever. It’s the only way.

    You want MY ADVICE? Don’t listen to me.

    You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

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