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    MgtowWave
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    Maybe i should have done this a long time ago .

    Because it appears to me that there are a few here who have no idea what MGTOW is .

    With stupid questions like ” Duh can MGTOWs get laid? ”

    Anyone here who asks a question like that IMO is probably a troll or tuna or both .

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    Briffaults law :

    By Robert Briffault 1876-1948
    The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. … Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

    With these corollaries
    Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

    Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

    A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

    Look This Up .

    #2

    Esther Vilar and her book The Manipulated Man .
    Look it up .
    From the cover
    “Men have been trained and conditioned by women, not unlike the way Pavlov conditioned his dogs, into becoming their slaves As compensation for their labours men are given periodic use of a woman’s vagina. ”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manipulated_Man

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    Bar Bar/Barbarossaa
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDoNFQZqQpd6aL32Ua4JPTQ
    http://sheddingoftheego.com/

    #4
    Thinking-Ape/StarDusk
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo1qRcO1OehgkOD_fHsu_uQ

    Moving on .
    Spetsnaz
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbbeOA5K7Hhc3I2vWG1jZ0w

    TFM
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbgzmK-mfpjULHZ8SMCuhdg

    Tom Leykis

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    Men are reading and listening and coming to conclusions and have come to some conclusions .

    One of them is Never Get Married .
    MGTOW do not get married .Despite what Mz Piggy says or does not say .

    Another conclusion that men have come to is Associating with Women Is a Risk

    How much risk a MGTOW wants to or is willing to accept is up to him .

    Understand ?????

    If this offends you then perhaps MGTOW is not a place for you .

    frankly my dear i don't give a damn

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    Anonymous
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    We are Red Pillars of the Community!

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    Juehue
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    There is the book “The Red Queen” which touches on “hypergamy” and insight into Chad.

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    Gravel Pit
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    Once you fully understand and internalize, let me repeat this for good measure, Understand and Internalize

    Female Hypergamy
    Female Hypoagency
    Sexual Dimorphism and Biological Determinism
    War-Bride Syndrome
    Maladaptive Reproduction

    the list goes on…
    You don’t even need to be awakened to the Misandric system of family courts and man hating laws out there. Just understanding that list above is enough to make you completely re-think marriage, dating, co habitation and even sex…

    I can remember learning all this in the Stardusk Compilation which is 6 hours long and Ive heard it out, over a dozen times. It is a bitter pill to swallow and it really is saddening for us. After a few years it just becomes old news and you move on. Now you understand women instead of being confused and tricked into loving them.

    Once that happens, you are free. The guys who go back, they’ve forgotten about those truths. I NEVER FORGET and I’m reminded daily in a deathly serious way, why I stay the f*&^ away from women.

    #750331
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    Gravel Pit
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    (I wrote this like 3 years ago, its more or less how I understand it based on the Stardusk Compilation)

    Men Going Their Own Way
    Credit to Stardusk (Thinking Ape) and Barbarossa for concepts herein

    Hypergamy: Women are the limiting factor in reproduction.
    If the population of women were suddenly decreased, we could face extinction due to the 9 month cycle women need to reproduce humans. If the numbers of men depleted in masse, we would not face this same threat of extinction.

    Because of the unique physical demand and time consuming burden that women face in reproduction, evolution in our species took a course to correct for the vulnerability of our survival.

    It’s evident that evolutionary biology played a role in shaping human psychology differently for each sex, so that females would be naturally favored as to ensure our survival. It stands to reason that hominids would not have survived if they weren’t looking after their weaker sex that was vulnerable during their 9 month reproductive cycles. It’s key to remember this helped hominids survive for millions of years.

    Due to this evolved psychological survival mechanism, we can see that modern men to a fault, driven by a profound expression of ‘love,’ seek to protect and provide for women. This goes beyond the desire for sex, a survival tool itself. Men harbor naturally selected evo-psych traits to safeguard the species by protecting women who are a weak link in the species because they require considerable time to make new humans and can’t defend themselves well.

    Females on the other hand, have an equally powerful instinct driving their behavior which seeks to secure provisions and safety at all costs for themselves and their offspring. We call this instinct in women, hypergamy. For millions of years it was crucial to our survival, but in a modern framework it causes extraordinary distress for men and society.

    It could be argued that the invention of marriage was an attempt to correct for hypergamy which plays out in a variety of ways that wreak havoc on social bonds between women and men. Also of note here, is that hypergamy is the reason why women show own group preference. Men do not have this natural urge to favor their own; they always favor women and children instead thus ensuring the survival of the species—evolutionary psychology.

    #750332
    Gravel Pit
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    continued from above

    NAWALT: Not All Women Are Like That. A common rebuttal used to deny the hypergamous nature of women. Nawalt is also referred to as a single woman who is somehow an exception to the rule. (The exception proves the rule, that is, the exception proves that nearly all women are like that).
    It’s clear that the Nawalt argument is a deflection. To say that “not all women are like that” does nothing to explain why 99.99% of them are like that. The nawalt deflection excuses women from all responsibility and explains nothing. We know that hypergamy is instinctive and is thus engrained in out genetics. It’s obvious that AWALT, All Women Are Like That.

    Rebuttal against MGTOW:
    “So if hypergamy is a fact, don’t men have a natural role to look after women? After all, we’re literally the only thing they’ve got, and we’re perfectly evolved to help them, and our species’ survival depends on male disposability, like it or not. It’s our job.”

    Response to Rebuttal:
    Hypergamy isn’t the exclusive reason why the Men Going Their Own Way opt out of interaction with women, but they would be entirely justified in using that as the only reason. After all, hypergamy is a stamp of our lowly origin. In modern life, it no longer serves humanity but impedes it.

    Because of hypergamy, men are not valued for their personhood and they are treated like a commodity. This occurs on an individual level and on a societal level. Some men, for their own reasons, won’t chase women. But mgtow is nothing new, there has always been, and always will be, a minority of men who conclude that the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze. Some historical mgtow simply had better things to do, like inventing calculus.

    But does MGTOW need justification? Men built the world and are autonomous beings with emotions, interests, intellect and superiority; we call the shots and can opt out without any reason at all—who can stop us? We also know that MGTOW, as a lifestyle choice could never go main-stream, not because the position isn’t logical (it’s excessively logical) but because the sexual libido of men in general, is so great, most men will never go their own way. Most men will gladly continue dancing no matter how risky or demeaning the stakes are, driven by sexual lust too pulp to ignore.

    MGTOW have no obligation to justify their exit but we can detect a great number of socio-economic and governing problems that would legitimize their choice anyway. Hypergamy itself, instinctively played out in modern society is reason enough to walk away. Let’s explore some of the main Manosphere grievances that surface frequently amongst Men’s Rights Activists. Some of these are direct manifestations of hypergamy.

    #750333
    Gravel Pit
    Gravel Pit
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    continued last time

    The MRA’s Grievances

    Besides 3 toxic waves of malingering feminism, the MRA is furious over: bias in divorce courts giving women custody of children, the welfare state, abortion, women receiving lighter criminal sentencing, no fault divorce, alimony, child support, affirmative action, circumcision, paternal rights, lack of male contraceptive pill, domestic violence and rape accusation, maladaptive breeding, biased cancer funding, excessive female healthcare funding, schooling structure and unaddressed male suicide numbers which are huge. The list goes on and on. The disadvantages that men and boys face are astounding.

    Naturally, men have no own group preference. Instead they instinctively care for female well-being. In a parallel interest, women do have an own group preference (hypergamy); the combined effect is an echo chamber of how women are being oppressed. It’s deafening and totally untrue. Both males and females created the misandric culture we live in. The reality is women have more perks than ever before and have queened themselves out of the sexual market place.
    It should be noted that MGTOW argue that no amount of legislation or repealing of misandric laws are going to clear the water enough for them to re-emerge, ready to engage women. The last several decades of advances in medicine (abortion and the pill) coupled with social activism on the part of feminists, has crippled the dating pool as to make nearly all women mentally unsuitable for mating.

    What this means is, physically; scores of women are used goods due to abortion, the pill, numbers of sexual partners and single motherhood. Mentally; women are brainwashed with a myriad of feminist memes going back over 25 years (2017). Thus, the dating pool (women) is poisoned and not worth entering.

    We know that Traditionalism is as equally poisonous to men as the recent decades of Feminism and memetic misandry. The better future that mgtow envision is lifetimes away, hence they tapped out for this one. There is no clean-up crew that can fix this train wreck, least not in the foreseeable future. This goes without mentioning maladaptive reproduction which is frankly depressing.

    Much could be said about sociological factors and evolutionary psychology as it relates to the dating scene. Women are naturally, anti-monogamous. They want men to commit to females while said females keep their options open. In a rat race to find the most lucrative provisional resource, women will jump ship or carry multiple interests simultaneously. This is hypergamy in action.

    The men, blinded by sexual desire are all at once, both succumbing to the illusory benefit of recreational sex and also lamenting the rarity of suitable long term partners (saying nothing of fear of divorce, false criminal accusation and state enforced financial slavery). In an age where women have every legal advantage of the law, and divorce is virtually a guarantee, men are opting out of marriage and procreation. They’re opting out of servitude.

    Can we Reverse the Sexodus?
    Irresponsible use of scientific advancements could be argued to have led to the ‘sinking Titanic’ we’re currently on. Perhaps more advancement, such as artificial wombs and a male contraceptive pill can save us. A plummeting birth rate is unavoidable in industrial nations so giving men some leverage would help but this alone won’t save the decaying socio-sexual relationships between men and women. The MRA’s are noble in their efforts to summon an interest in men’s human rights. Perhaps they can limit or even crush legal misandry in decades to come but this seems unlikely because they are fighting genetics standards that are honed over millions of years of evolution.

    Ultimately, the stage is set for a collapse. The government, who knows that a nation needs a replenishing birthrate, is helpless because female voters would never allow their toys to be taken away (abortion and the pill). As in America’s case, the government will then flood the nation with immigrants in a vain attempt to keep the population up. But when the immigrants gain status and access to the birth control pill, the same outcome will ensue. Women will flee motherhood as is the case of Germany, Australia, Japan, America and other industrial nations.

    Men Going Their Own Way is a reactive measure that individual men are assuming as a label and behavior. By subtracting themselves out of the sexual market place, they protect themselves from the undesirable fates of other men in today’s world. Will it ever be safe for these men to return? Likely not in their lifetimes, hence they are in absence.

    MGTOW ought to be a warning and lesson, both to governing bodies and scientists. These men refuse to be sperm donors on the hook for 18 years of child support. These men will not succumb to being turn-coats on dating websites or jar opening, apartment moving muscle men. We’re not here to be friend-zoned until the lucky day we’re conned by some rape accusing college girl.

    We’re free men, enjoying our lives, endlessly amused by the blue pill fools who still play the house and lose every time. We have extinguished, to some extent, our sexual desires and our need to be un-free. Many of us have gone back to dating and interaction with women, only to gain more experience and realization that women do not love men. Gone are the days when we fancied women as some mystery or noble challenge. We realize it’s a charade to keep us in servitude. Traditionalism was never an ideal arrangement for men or women either. The women were under-utilized and the men had the weight of the world on them, breaking their backs to provide for women that only wanted to flee. We can either love women or understand them, not both, because once you understand women; there is nothing to love about their mechanics and nature. It’s like loving a perfect weapon, a bio-weapon hyper-tuned to ensure progeny.

    MGTOW is only a temporary catalyst in an evolving modern paradigm. The world is changing faster than anyone can keep up. These men are just smart guys caught between the grinding plates of centurial sociological shifts. For the time being, and for good reasons addressed in this article, they went their own way, away from women to be sure. Many other men have done the same thing through the ages simply because they had better things to do than entertain the cheap comforts of female company. If you’re a man reading this, I hope you found this useful and informative.

    #762378
    MgtowWave
    MgtowWave
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    Another foundational contributor to MGTOW thought is Man Woman Myth .

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC71JvwMCwlbATlyWBonidug?disable_polymer=1

    I hope that EVERY one of these videos is saved .

    frankly my dear i don't give a damn

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