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  • #893386
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    Veniversum
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    If it is more important to you to be dominant than it is to be correct, you are going to lose respect. I’ve seen entirely too much use of sophistry here. We all need to learn and understand logical fallacies so that we do not get trapped by being fooled in one of the two ways: Believing something that isn’t true, or not believing something that is. Also, people aren’t going to respect your opinion about anything if you stoop to personal insults, ad hominem, straw man fallacies, etc. Almost the entire arsenal of “the left” is ad hominem:

    1. Homophobic – claim that the person is afraid of homosexuals.
    2. Xenophobic – claim that the person is afraid of foreigners
    3. Transphobic -claim that the person is afraid of transexuals
    4. Racist – claim that the person has hatred for different races
    5. Misogynist – claim that the person has hatred for females
    6. Sexist – claim that the person believes his or her gender to be superior and the opposite inferior

    Ad hominem is latin for “to the person”. The word hominem translates directly to “man” but, its use here represents a person in the same way that the word “mankind” refers to all people.

    soph·ist·ry
    /ˈsäfəstrē/Submit
    noun
    the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.
    “trying to argue that I had benefited in any way from the disaster was pure sophistry”
    a fallacious argument.
    plural noun: sophistries
    synonyms:specious reasoning, the use of fallacious arguments, sophism, casuistry, quibbling, equivocation, fallaciousness

    If you catch me using any of these, even by accident (I’m not perfect), then unsheathe your sword and riposte me directly through the heart with which logical fallacy I lowered myself to resort to. If you rule yourself with these, you will garner much more support and respect for your point of view, as well as your intellect. Remember, it isn’t “you versus me” in a debate to find out *who* is right or wrong. It is YOU AND I collaborating to find out *what* is true or false.

    These are the top five, but there are more: https://youtu.be/8qb-h0sXkH4

    #893393
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    Anonymous
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    I agree with you. Unfortunately men of logic and integrity are at a great disadvantage when dealing with 99% of the population, who are either too stupid or too malicious to operate honoroubly. However we can, and should encourage it on this site.

    Stardusk has a good breakdown of the main logical fallacies.

    #893402
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    Ranger One
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    I wonder what the Left would make of a person who has no emotions, including fear?

    The term “phobic” ultimately means “fear”.

    If you are afraid of nothing, including death, it is pretty hard to have “homophobia” or “transphobia”.

    I tend to think that the Left has phobia about people expressing the truth or having the right to live unmolested. The Left has the innate flaw that they must control everything and everyone.

    All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

    #893410
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    Narwhal
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    If it is more important to you to be dominant than it is to be correct, you are going to lose respect.

    Domination is far, far from the only reason people are willing to accept a lie over the truth. People will believe a lie when doing so protects their current way of life. The truth can mean that we have to work harder for what we want in life. It can mean that we must judge and bring tension to our friendships/relationships. It means we must face the ugly truths about the society we live in. It means we have to accept each other for who we are.

    It comes up quite often when discussing blue pill men. Why can’t he see his wife for who she really is? Because doing so will leading crushing divorce, possible alienation from friends, society in general, possibly even your own children. It means financial ruin. It means questioning everything you used to think about yourself. The truth can absolutely hurt.

    And of course, it doesn’t need to be on such a drastic scale. A left leaning person isn’t going to want to accept right wing politics because it’s going to cause stress, possibly severe, to their way of life. Loss of friends and family, possibly reconsidering your own worth , etc. The right, or people who are willing to see some things clearly, are not immune either. The Right are rather unwilling to admit that we have some rather s~~~ty representatives in government, or that Trump is an asshole, for example.

    And this is all natural biological instinct designed to protect ourselves from the truth. Ironic, yes, since the truth will set you free, but no one ever said freedom wasn’t painful.

    Ok. Then do it.

    #893414
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    Anonymous
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    I wonder what the Left would make of a person who has no emotions, including fear?
    The term “phobic” ultimately means “fear”.
    If you are afraid of nothing, including death, it is pretty hard to have “homophobia” or “transphobia”.
    I tend to think that the Left has phobia about people expressing the truth or having the right to live unmolested. The Left has the innate flaw that they must control everything and everyone.

    True. It’s a funny irony for an intelligent being. They certainly would not know what to make of you.

    #893425
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    Gravel Pit
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    No one is beyond using logical fallacies… they just happen because we’re all emotional beings, even the most objective among us.

    The difference is promptly admitting when we’re wrong … Integrity.

    If you catch me using any of these, even by accident

    That’s good, take your own inventory…

    I’ve seen entirely too much use of sophistry

    Not our inventory…

    If you want to have keyboard wars… Youtube … everyone here is already on your side bro, watch the friendly fire

    You can't sell a man on what he learned to live without.

    #893433
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    Veniversum
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    Thank you

    #893445
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    Narwhal
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    he term “phobic” ultimately means “fear”.

    If you are afraid of nothing, including death, it is pretty hard to have “homophobia” or “transphobia”.

    The left seem to believe fear and hate are the same thing. The also seem to think intolerance is fear. Or simply not wanting someone/something in your life is fear. Pretty much disagreeing with them in any way is fear.

    Ok. Then do it.

    #893450
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    Ranger One
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    he term “phobic” ultimately means “fear”.
    If you are afraid of nothing, including death, it is pretty hard to have “homophobia” or “transphobia”.

    The left seem to believe fear and hate are the same thing. The also seem to think intolerance is fear. Or simply not wanting someone/something in your life is fear. Pretty much disagreeing with them in any way is fear.

    The closet I come to fear or hate is distaste.

    I would find it unappealing if someone had explosive diarrhea over my bare feet. That is the closest I would come to having an emotion now. I find things idiotic or distasteful. Other examples would be the emotional, irrational people who seem to think they have the right to dictate what I can and cannot do, regardless of whether or not I’m harming anyone. I find lawyers and the legal system also distasteful. I find the prefix “cis-” to be distasteful, because it implies that you need a special designation if you are not part of the Left-wing freak show. (Is a woman who doesn’t have a beard, CIS-beardless? Is calling herself a normal woman an affront to bearded women?)

    Other than that:

    All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

    #893462
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    Clu
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    I am getting to a point were talking appears to be useless. Either you are conveying practical information or you are wasting your time.

    People have lost all shame for being ignorant, and believe they have a RIGHT to have a opinion, regardless of their experience or knowledge of the issue. Superficial knowledge, or simply parroting something they ear somewhere, is taken for knowledge today. Real knowledge is not valued.

    Good luck trying to reason with people, as they resort to fallacies and emotional reasoning, essentially avoiding to recognize any of your point and trying to convince you of THEIR points. And if they fail, then they resort to manipulation, shamming, insult or character assassination.

    This is how we get into an Idiocracy. Can we get on with that end of the word thing?

    Idiocracy movie

    Greetings, programs!

    #893468
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    Hermit
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    I am getting to a point were talking appears to be useless.

    I’m at that point as well, mostly because people don’t listen anymore. When someone is speaking, I stand there and listen without interruption because I hate being interrupted when speaking. Even after I have begun talking, most people these days will have no problem being rude and try to talk over me. I’ve actually had more than one person tell me that the reason they do that is because they may forget what they were going to say so they just blurt it out whether I’m finished talking or not. I’m not one of those people that drone on and on. I speak then listen then speak. I know how to hold a civil adult conversation. There’s no reason to be rude.

    Rude, stupid selfish people don’t want to hear. They want to be heard. They want to talk, not listen. I’ve always found I can learn more if I speak less and listen more.

    The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

    #893471
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    Gravel Pit
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    everyone here is already on your side bro, watch the friendly fire

    This is my main point. I wish no ill will…

    HAPPY THURSDAY to everyone. Cheers! or in my case, Le Croix!

    You can't sell a man on what he learned to live without.

    #893472
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    Gravel Pit
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    Also, TODAY is Albert Einstein’s Birthday! Happy Birthday Al, thanks for Special Relativity!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein

    You can't sell a man on what he learned to live without.

    #893501
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    Carnage
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    I hate you all, please go out and kill one person, just one and then blow your head off.

    Thanks.
    I really hate humans= misandrist

    To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

    #893504
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    Hermit
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    I hate you all, please go out and kill one person, just one and then blow your head off.
    Thanks.I really hate humans= misandrist

    You first.

    The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

    #893506
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    IMickey503
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    Homophobic – claim that the person is afraid of homosexuals.
    Xenophobic – claim that the person is afraid of foreigners
    Transphobic -claim that the person is afraid of transexuals
    Racist – claim that the person has hatred for different races
    Misogynist – claim that the person has hatred for females
    Sexist – claim that the person believes his or her gender to be superior and the opposite inferior

    I am afraid of foreigners. THey want to kill you.

    I am Transphobic. I hate TRAPS! If f~~~s with my GAYDAR.

    I do hate different races. I hate them ALL equally. Just as God intended.

    I do hate females. If you don’t hate them, how are they going to like you?

    I AM sexist. I AM FASTER, STRONGER, AND BETTER than most WOMEN.

    You want to know what is my standard? Being honest. Being Honorable. Proving yourself. Words don’t mean s~~~. Actions count. Fact is, if you have an argument you want to get across or a point, your write it down.

    If not, I don’t argue with people. I don’t even listen. And f~~~ your feelings. As long as MEN are being fired for reporting the truth in science? Any argument you have is Invalid. Sorry. I just don’t give a s~~~ about words. I care about facts and actions. And the best arguments are full of all the criteria you listed. Before women came to the topic, Bar room and locker room talk was the norm. No one gave a f~~~.

    In fact, you want to know where all the racist are today? Out of Businesses. Why? Talent has no race. Talent can be found anywhere. And being actually any of the things you list for real makes you a person who lives in Fantasy island.

    Insults are Nature’s candy. Eat it up.

    You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

    #893507
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    IMickey503
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    I hate you all, please go out and kill one person, just one and then blow your head off.Thanks.I really hate humans= misandrist

    You first.

    He tried. If only he was Asian, he could of made it happen. But alas, he is here now to spread his joy of failure to us all. What a treasure.

    You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

    #893508
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    IMickey503
    iMickey503
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    9946

    Albert Einstein’s Birthday!

    What do you know, NOT on the GOOGLE homepage this year.

    Let’s BLAME the JEWS!

    You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

    #893525
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    Branched off
    Branched off
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    7991

    Albert Einstein’s Birthday!

    What do you know, NOT on the GOOGLE homepage this year.
    Let’s BLAME the JEWS!

    Nice one Mickey.

    Its because he had a dick. Circumcised though he was, he can’t be a kosher icon for Google if he was a man. Better celebrate the female scientist who invented the toaster with the clock in it.

    A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

    #893544
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    Carnage
    Carnage
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    22083

    I hate you all, please go out and kill one person, just one and then blow your head off.Thanks.I really hate humans= misandrist

    You first.

    He tried. If only he was Asian, he could of made it happen. But alas, he is here now to spread his joy of failure to us all. What a treasure.

    Unfortunatelly im not accepted in hell, persona no grata.

    Well could be worst.

    By the way:
    https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/3588710/0/capitalismo-mata-planeta-gritan-manifestacion-estudiantil-convocada-contra-cambio-climatico/

    Young students manifest in spain, there is a european protest, the say capitalism kills the planet, bla bla bla.

    Go go go lets install the Venezuela protocol, is gonna be awesome.

    To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

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