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  • #883238
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    Narwhal
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    I know we are not all US citizen’s here, but I’d love to know what thoughts are regarding funding for a US Southern Border wall.

    Personally, I am for it. It’s not because I think this particular point in history is better or worse for immigration. It’s not because I think a wall will prevent all immigration, trafficking, and other related issues. It’s not because I like or dislike Trump or the Zombies. Immigration has been an unresolved issue for decades, since I was kid and probably longer. Yet politicians have done nothing but give it lip service. I want something done that it is concrete and measurable. I want this to be start of actually fixing the issue with real solutions, which is what Americans want (and politicians on both sides do not want).

    I don’t like that the debate is causing a shutdown, but it’s quite clear that leverage as needed. Democrats have stated they will not fund a wall under any circumstances (really, as long as Trump wants it), so there is no reason to believe wall funding will happen after a shutdown is resolved.

    The idea that either side is the definitive cause of the shut down is either ignorant or intentionally deceptive. It’s a stalemate. Clearly, either side can end the stalemate by capitulating to the other side.

    Ok. Then do it.

    #883241
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    743 roadmaster
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    Immigration has been an issue. Why reward illegal immigration by just letting them cross the border.

    One in the EU
    https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/International/wireStory/malta-taking-stranded-migrants-off-boats-eu-deal-60260379
    Malta take stranded migrants off boats in EU deal
    Military vessels have brought 49 migrants to shore in Malta after the island nation reached a deal for the passengers to be distributed among eight other European Union members

    why reward them by letting them in the EU, should have taken them back to Libya.

    mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

    #883242
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    Hermit
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    The problem with capitulating, if it’s done by Trump, the funding for the wall will never happen. The childish left need to be the ones to try to get along. Trump said he would like to sit down with them and come to a compromise, but they refuse to even budge an inch due to their Trump hating nonsense. It’s so sickening to watch these adults squabble like spoiled children.

    I’m all for strengthening the borders whether it’s by steel, concrete, snipers, or landmines. It wouldn’t take but a very few infiltrators trying to cross a minefield to put a stop to the illegal immigration.

    The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

    #883244
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    Ranger One
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    I say end birthright citizenship, require proof of citizenship for work, and penalize any company for hiring illegals a high fine per head, perhaps $30,000 fine for each one they hired.

    As financial incentive, give a percentage of the fine to the person who reports it.

    Do that, and people with self-deport. No wall needed.

    All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

    #883255
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    Narwhal
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    I say end birthright citizenship, require proof of citizenship for work, and penalize any company for hiring illegals a high fine per head, perhaps $30,000 fine for each one they hired.

    I’m definitely for e-verify, but I don’t know that it would be as completely effective as we’d like. Take a construction job for example. The construction company doesn’t hire illegals, although there are illegals doing the job. Instead the construction company subcontracts the labor out to another company that is much smaller and barely on the radar, that pays the illegal worker a flat rate or day rate instead of daily rate. It’s mixed in with other legal workers, so it’s very hard to even tell that the illegal worker is even employed. Even then, many of them have false papers that employer cannot be expected to judge on whether it’s authentic or not. Not saying e-verify isn’t a good thing, just that it’s not going to cut off all means illegal employment.

    I’m fine with a fine to employers, but there needs to be proof that employer did not know the employee was illegal.

    I’d also want to put a tax on transferring money out of the US. This is trickier as it should be large enough to deter illegals from doing this, but not corporations who are doing legit business.

    It won’t be popular, but I’m also want to limit deportations and have a path to citizenship for those already here. It’s not about concern for their well being, but because illegals have become so integrated into the economy that suddenly removing them is going to have a negative immediate effect. Gradual change is much better.

    And yes, we’d still need a wall, nothing of the other changes will stop trafficking. A wall will make that job easier.

    Ok. Then do it.

    #883256
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    Anonymous
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    I’m an immigrant. 11 years(including 5 green card) and $11k attorney fees later and I’m a citizen. I understand fully why people want to come to the US. But you have to do it legally and wait your f~~~ing turn.

    #883265
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    ResidentEvil7
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    I’m f~~~ing fed up with all immigrants, legal or not, because I’m struggling competing for a job, which the Mexican will likely get over me and that’s not fair. Why should I be out of work and living on disabilities for years, while some brown skin who can’t speak English is working and living well? I hate having to hear that Spanish gibberish they like to loudly converse with. I’m sick of hearing on the phone answering machine (press 1 for English, [gibberish]). I’m sick of foreigners feeling entitled to live on free welfare (money, food, college, healthcare, housing). That money should be for Americans citizens only who are on hard times.

    Trump was right last night when he said that immigrants are stealing our jobs and driving down wages while Americans are struggling.

    Because of this, I learned to hate non Americans who live and work in America because I’m struggling to get a job. No one who wants to work and make a living for himself should be struggling as hard and as long as I have. Kick the Mexicans (legal or not) out!

    Trump Republican For Life - Make America Great Again

    #883269
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    Hermit
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    I hate how the left always spouts off by saying that this country was built by immigrants. Yeah, they’re right, but it wasn’t built by illegal aliens. The immigrants from decades ago were stopped at the border and had to be checked not only legally, but also medically and they were detained at the border for quite a while, (weeks), before being allowed into the country. I have an old friend who was born in Mexico. He immigrated the right way; the legal way and is now a citizen of the U.S.

    The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

    #883275
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    Hermit
    Hermit
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    The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

    #883281
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    Dark Kenshi
    Dark Kenshi
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    I’m f~~~ing fed up with all immigrants, legal or not, because I’m struggling competing for a job, which the Mexican will likely get over me and that’s not fair. Why should I be out of work and living on disabilities for years, while some brown skin who can’t speak English is working and living well? I hate having to hear that Spanish gibberish they like to loudly converse with. I’m sick of hearing on the phone answering machine (press 1 for English, [gibberish]). I’m sick of foreigners feeling entitled to live on free welfare (money, food, college, healthcare, housing). That money should be for Americans citizens only who are on hard times.
    Trump was right last night when he said that immigrants are stealing our jobs and driving down wages while Americans are struggling.
    Because of this, I learned to hate non Americans who live and work in America because I’m struggling to get a job. No one who wants to work and make a living for himself should be struggling as hard and as long as I have. Kick the Mexicans (legal or not) out!

    I hope you never leave the US or never need anything outside of the US too, mate.
    I would be all for keeping you inside the US, whatever happened. Oh, and only US products, with US raw materials. IF anything has any element that comes outside of the US, you should not use too, because that may had been harvested by those “immigrants” who you seen so keen on putting a bad word about them?
    What about working for your betterment, so you can outclass any “immigrant” despite their low level of formal education, legal or not, at your own trade and country?

    "Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

    #883282
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    FunInTheSun
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    I donated to Brian Kolf~~e’s border wall fund as a protest against smug politicians and Hollywood celebrities WHO LIVE IN MANSIONS WITH GATES AND SECURITY GUARDS, but want open borders. If security from the riff raff is good enough for them, it’s good enough for me too. Build the f~~~ing wall. Heck, build one across Canada’s border as well. And don’t tell me we Americans can’t afford it. If we can spend a trillion dollars bombing Iraq—and not find any weapons of mass destruction—we can surely afford to build border walls and hire more border patrol agents. The foreigners can either apply for amnesty in an honest manner (at a U.S. port of entry) or go home. I don’t have time for their nonsense, and I don’t want to pay taxes for them either. They are solely to blame for losing custody of their kids when they run across the border—not the border guards or the president or anyone else! They put their kids in that s~~~ty situation. They need to take full responsibility for that. Deport the illegal aliens, and make them stand in line behind those that applied for U.S. visas legally!

    "I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

    #883292
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    Monk
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    The construction company doesn’t hire illegals, although there are illegals doing the job. Instead the construction company subcontracts the labor out to another company that is much smaller and barely on the radar, that pays the illegal worker a flat rate or day rate instead of daily rate.

    This common in the UK, particularly in food production, both factory and field.

    UK employers are required to verify the immigration status of employees, so what they do is hire an agency, which then shifts the legal responsibility onto them.

    The government knows that the law is being evaded, but won’t do anything about it because they are in bed with big business.

    #883299
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    JB Books
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    3202

    F~~~ the liberals; they want to destroy our country.

    We just don't realize life's most significant events while they're happening. Back then, I thought, "Well, there'll be other days". I didn't realize that that was the only day. - "Moonlight" Graham

    #883308
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    Sandals
    Sandals
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    4300

    Border crossers and illegal aliens should be shot and killed on sight. Men, women and children. This is what many other countries do. If you have no border, you have no country. A good 24 hours of this would produce a permanent solution for the duration of any current administration.

    #883314
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    ResidentEvil7
    ResidentEvil7
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    12216

    Border crossers and illegal aliens should be shot and killed on sight. Men, women and children. This is what many other countries do. If you have no border, you have no country. A good 24 hours of this would produce a permanent solution for the duration of any current administration.

    Ahh, you my man! +1

    Trump Republican For Life - Make America Great Again

    #883321
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    Anonymous
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    USA
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@CONCERTINA WIRE@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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    100 yards Death Zone
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    @@@@@@@@@@@@@CONCERTINA WIRE@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    MEXICO

    In the Death Zone, either use “legal” smart mines (Spider M7, etc.) or give Border Patrol agents $10,000 for each invader “dispatched.”

    Explain this along the fence on the Mexico side with thousands of signs. Cross this fence, meet Jesus.

    #883324
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    Anonymous
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    I support the Wall. Think about it. China has a Greater Wall than the USA!!!

    Are we going to make America Great Again or what? We need a “Greater” Wall than China.

    Let’s build something we can be proud of. A Wall that you can see from Space. That’s what I’m talking about. 🙂

    #883326
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    SH3LLZ
    SH3LLZ
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    I remember when the media started saying things like, “We need to figure out the status of illegal aliens”, and I would think to myself, THAT’S THEIR STATUS, ILLEGAL! That’s when I knew this issue would eventually come to a head. I knew this would be a precursor to the collapse of this nation. But this wall funded by taxpayers is a bad idea. It’s not going to work even if they did build it. It’ll be ineffectual and a waste. So if you’re for wasting money, make sure you find it somewhere else! People can tunnel under walls people can climb over walls. People can cut through walls… It’s A STUPID idea.

    And that’s not to mention maintainence cost over time… This country has bridges and other INFRASTRUCTURE THAT’S CURRENTLY FAILING!!!

    There are so many more important things.

    #ICETHEMOUT!!! #MANOUT!!! #HIDEYOURWEALTH #VAGINAISWORTHLESS

    #883328
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    FrankOne
    FrankOne
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    1994

    Dark Kenshi writes: What about working for your betterment, so you can outclass any “immigrant” despite their low level of formal education, legal or not, at your own trade and country?

    Amen brother. I have literally been in a factory of illegals recently to do some technical work (ALL illegals were subcontracted). They were the most hard-working blue-collar workers I’d ever seen. They didn’t call in sick, come in drunk or on drugs, or f~~~ off with dumbphones all day. Unlike most of our citizens of the same age. Most had been there a decade or longer.

    Sure, they did not have the formal education I enjoyed; but their work ethic is UNBELIEVABLE. I couldn’t even speak with most of them — the foreman had understandable english and communicated with the others — I don’t know Spanish unfortunately. Incidentally, the ILLEGAL immigrants have THE HIGHEST employment participation rate, it’s around 85%!!

    They sure as hell weren’t ‘stealing’ any jobs. How does one ‘steal’ a job, anyway?

    There were few locals that wanted to work in the hot, humid, dirty factory, that wasn’t air conditioned. The reality on the ground is these people are doing jobs AMERICANS DON’T WANT TO DO.

    US immigration policy is built on racism; quotas for various nationalities. I think we should limit TOTAL numbers — we can only absorb so many at once — but keep in mind, jobs are NOT a zero sum game. These immigrants consume housing, food, etc — that creates DEMAND and creates other jobs. And they create entire INDUSTRIES; look at all the tech. firms founded by immigrants, mostly from Russia, Europe, China, etc. We are shooting ourselves in the foot especially, by not offering automatic citizenship to Chinese and other foreign nationals who graduate in STEM fields from US universities. Why not HOST the innovation here?

    Just as the US economy grew through massive immigration in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s — economics is not a ‘zero sum game’ with a fixed number of jobs. Illegals are eligible for NO welfare benefits. Even LEGAL immigrants are ineligible for most welfare for their first 5 years.

    As for ‘security’, look up the murder rate in some cities in Texas — go ahead — compare them to Baltimore or cities with gang problems…

    ‘They took your jerb’! Great episode.

    And I am no ‘liberal’. I want less government, a weaker federal government, and States (and nations) COMPETING with one another for citizens. That is the promise of open borders.

    SH3LLZ writes: And that’s not to mention maintainence cost over time… This country has bridges and other INFRASTRUCTURE THAT’S CURRENTLY FAILING!!!

    But it’s a Big Government program, plenty of opportunities for corrupt contracts and kickbacks. In light of that, the most shocking feature is how BOTH parties don’t want the ‘Build the Wall’.

    Out-of-control government that does not respect the rights of a free people, brings on collapse. Not hard-working immigrants.

    #883344
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    Sandals
    Sandals
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    Dark Kenshi writes: What about working for your betterment, so you can outclass any “immigrant” despite their low level of formal education, legal or not, at your own trade and country?

    Amen brother. I have literally been in a factory of illegals recently to do some technical work (ALL illegals were subcontracted). They were the most hard-working blue-collar workers I’d ever seen. They didn’t call in sick, come in drunk or on drugs, or f~~~ off with dumbphones all day. Unlike most of our citizens of the same age. Most had been there a decade or longer.
    Sure, they did not have the formal education I enjoyed; but their work ethic is UNBELIEVABLE. I couldn’t even speak with most of them — the foreman had understandable english and communicated with the others — I don’t know Spanish unfortunately. Incidentally, the ILLEGAL immigrants have THE HIGHEST employment participation rate, it’s around 85%!!
    They sure as hell weren’t ‘stealing’ any jobs. How does one ‘steal’ a job, anyway?
    There were few locals that wanted to work in the hot, humid, dirty factory, that wasn’t air conditioned. The reality on the ground is these people are doing jobs AMERICANS DON’T WANT TO DO.
    US immigration policy is built on racism; quotas for various nationalities. I think we should limit TOTAL numbers — we can only absorb so many at once — but keep in mind, jobs are NOT a zero sum game. These immigrants consume housing, food, etc — that creates DEMAND and creates other jobs. And they create entire INDUSTRIES; look at all the tech. firms founded by immigrants, mostly from Russia, Europe, China, etc. We are shooting ourselves in the foot especially, by not offering automatic citizenship to Chinese and other foreign nationals who graduate in STEM fields from US universities. Why not HOST the innovation here?
    Just as the US economy grew through massive immigration in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s — economics is not a ‘zero sum game’ with a fixed number of jobs. Illegals are eligible for NO welfare benefits. Even LEGAL immigrants are ineligible for most welfare for their first 5 years.
    As for ‘security’, look up the murder rate in some cities in Texas — go ahead — compare them to Baltimore or cities with gang problems…
    ‘They took your jerb’! Great episode.
    And I am no ‘liberal’. I want less government, a weaker federal government, and States (and nations) COMPETING with one another for citizens. That is the promise of open borders.

    SH3LLZ writes: And that’s not to mention maintainence cost over time… This country has bridges and other INFRASTRUCTURE THAT’S CURRENTLY FAILING!!!

    But it’s a Big Government program, plenty of opportunities for corrupt contracts and kickbacks. In light of that, the most shocking feature is how BOTH parties don’t want the ‘Build the Wall’.
    Out-of-control government that does not respect the rights of a free people, brings on collapse. Not hard-working immigrants.

    You don’t know what you’re talking about. If they are such hard workers, they can go back to their own country and work hard. They don’t need to be here.

    Illegals are not hard workers. With all due respect, you don’t have a f~~~ing clue what you’re talking about. They are the laziest f~~~ing people on the planet. They steal at the first chance they get, and they are violent criminals. You see the hispanic sinoritas with their always pregnant bellies riding around their little gang-members-in-training in their strollers in the middle of the day. Oh, that’s real hard work.

    Been to the mall lately? Yeah, those gang-bangers are working so hard wafting their chips on their shoulders as stench behind them as they roll down the hall. Or how about them drug dealers hanging out in their spanish only restaurants only, in the spanish only strip with stores with spanish only signs.

    If you break into another country and you don’t speak the language, yeah, you gotta work hard or you get caught. There’s no honor in that. If you broke into a man’s house, and found out he was there, you’d work hard to trying to get out. And all of these so called “hard-workers” you speak of have brothers and sons who are gang-bangers, and wives and daughters who are popping out as many as possible in a deliberate attempt to re-take this country. It’s called La Raza – look it up. The judge, yes JUDGE, who gave Trump trouble during Trump’s campaign, who had the Trump University case, is an active member of La Raza. That’s hard work – but it doesn’t count, in my opinion. Can Tomy Robinson go to Mexico and be a judge and openly advocate for invasion of Mexico and interfere in their elections?

    This line about “doing jobs Americans don’t want to do” is television brainwashing bulls~~~. The government takes all the young adults and keeps them in school for a quarter of their lifetime. Teens should be working in odd jobs and greeting people at Walmart. But they are in school, and the government then has illegals fill the gap and says “Americans don’t want to do those jobs”. This is a concerted effort to destroy our civilization. You are so brainwashed. And I mean that in a brotherly love kind of way, so don’t take it personally. Unless you’re a paid shill, of course.

    You’re comparing Mexicans to Blacks??? Sheesh.

    Yes, Mexicans are stealing our jobs because of the currency different. They earn currency here, and send it back home where it purchases more goods in a s~~~hole country. So effectively, yet they are stealing your purchasing power, but you have to understand how currency exchanges and money works to understand the concept. But yes, they are most certainly stealing our money.

    Absolutely nothing you say is correct or makes sense. Give automatic citizenship to Chicoms? Dude, you must have no experience at all in the real world. I doubt you have every been to another country or taken a real history course.

    Sorry buddy, I wish I could be nicer, but you don’t have a clue what you’re saying. Get your facts straight.

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