There was no government shutdown

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    The so-called government shutdown never happened. It lasted less than a month, everyone still went to work, they all got back-pay for all their hours, and not one single government employee missed a mortgage payment.

    And Trump didn’t get a single dollar for the wall.

    There you have it. The shutdown never happened. It was all a hoax.

    Well… that’s only the beginning. What’s the takeaway from this? It’s really interesting when you think about it.

    First, Trump is a s~~~ty negotiator. All the people who helped him get elected have been arrested and their lives are ruined. Trump told Schumer, “I’ll own the shutdown”. Why would Trump say such a stupid thing? Then, the Democrats just waited, while Trump kicked and screamed like a baby, canceled their trip abroad, and puffed his feathers.

    And in the end… shutdown ended very quickly, and everyone got paid.

    What does all this mean? Why would Trump cave so easily, after so much pompous boasting? I do believe Trump wanted to prolong the shutdown, but Schumer and Pelosi understood something Trump didn’t, and that’s why they were so calm when Trump was grandstanding.

    What did Schumer and Pelosi understand that Trump didn’t (until the last moment)?

    Well.. let’s look at what would have happened if a real shutdown had actually happened.

    Probably about half the people would have missed their February mortgage payments, since everyone’s living paycheck to paycheck. By March, that number would be up to at least %75 if not much higher. At that point, car payments and credit card payments would be missed. And student loan payments.

    Money lenders would be forced to renegotiate with debtors. Cars would be repossessed, and those car -less people would have trouble getting to work or traveling. Contracts would be stalled. People’s homes would be posessed, and landlords would begin kicking tenants out of their homes. Many people would quit their government jobs.

    Welfare would stop. EBTs wouldn’t work on EBT-day at Walmart, when all the EBT filth go at once and stock up on free steak and dog food.

    Old people and nursing homes wouldn’t get their money.

    Hospitals wouldn’t get their money to keep the electricity on.

    And all this would be happening while caravans of gangs and degenerates are headed up toward the US straight for invasion.

    In short, the chain re-action would be integrated, catastrophic, and FAST.

    It does appear that there actually would be a total catastrophic meltdown of society. In light of this, it does seem to make sense out of Bush’s banker bailout after Liemann Brothers collapsed so abruptly. The government gang bailed out AIG, an insurance company. Everything was tied into AIG. Everyday there are plane, shipping, and train crashes that need cleaning up. Imagine train derailments that block the tracks, and there’s no insurance money to clean it up, and food can’t get to certain areas across the country.

    When we ask ourselves, “why do things remain the same, when every politician promises change?”, the answer is clear now. And it’s not an answer we want to hear, but one I suspect many of you have already figured out.

    FrankOne asked me in another forum, “What is the ugly job that needs to get done?” Yes he was being smarmy, but in reality, it’s not a bad question.

    I don’t think Trump realized how f~~~ed-up-beyond-repair everything in this country (the US) is. At least not until the point when in that final hour, the mass clusterf~~~ that would ensue on his watch had he waited one more day, and had the payment systems not ran for the next two weeks, and people missed their mortgage payments, when the totality of the situation suddenly dawned on him. Yes, he would be in Roman Emperor Nero’s position.

    Nero, like Trump, was a non-bloodline emperor of Rome. So I am guessing Nero, like Trump, never learned from the government mafia family business, “Just keep the f~~~ing thing going”…. Maybe he couldn’t, as they didn’t have a digital printing press where they can just press more Zeros on a computer buried deep in the treasury department.

    So there is Trump, on the eve of massive catastrophic failure, staring at the impending meltdown that would ensue, with Pelosi and Schumer back there saying with a smile, “You said YOU would own the shutdown”.

    What would YOU do if you were Trump?

    Well, that bring us to the “ugly deed” to be done. Which brings us to Adolph Hitler. Godwin’s Law states

    “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1

    That’s such an interesting statement. And it does appear to be true. But why is that? There seems to be something inherent in the logic and philosophy of every problem that leads back to a comparison involving Adolph Hitler, but no one can express it outright for some reason, probably because the name “Hitler” sparks such an emotional reaction due to constant media brainwashing.

    Sure Hitler killed Jews, but the number has been inflated by propaganda. The estimate is 600,000, not 6 million, which is the propagandized number. Also, Hilter didn’t kill all the Jews, only some Jews. Hitler had lists. And it wasn’t just Jews. Hitler had “Mercy killings” of disabled people, and killed many people, including non-Jewish people, and fought wars with Christian and atheist armies.

    But we know Mao, Stalin, and many others have purged their societies to a far worse number than even Hitler’s propagandized number, let alone his real number. It seems many animal societies in nature cull their populations.

    Hitler also was a democratically elected leader. The United States, for all it’s democracy rhetoric, teamed up with the two biggest communist, murdering states, to overthrow a democratically elected leader, with whom the Bush family seems to have had contracts with.

    It seems here, Hitler is a patsy. Hitler was facing massive inflation. It is clear from this pretend shutdown that Trump is staring down a choice between catastrophic societal failure, with the possibility of total collapse, or keep printing money to keep the lights on, eventually leading to hyper-inflation, Venezula-style.

    Or, in the case of Hitler, a third option: clean this s~~~ up. In Hitler’s day, homosexuality was rampant in the media, there was whoring and degeneracy all over, and good clean morality was being trampled on, in exactly the way it is here in the US today.

    1930s Germany also had an immigration problem from the middle East, just like we have an immigration from our Southern border. Sure Germany’s problem was Jews, but these were middle-easterners who were Jewish. Anyone who had ever had dealings with actual Isralies knows that they are still middle-eastern schysters just like everyone over in that hell hole of the planet. They are not like American Jews, educated, and civilized. Just like Italians from New York are not like Italians from Sicily. So to say Hitler had a Jewish immigration problem is a misnomer. Hitler had a middle-eastern immigration problem.

    I have to believe that Hitler was staring down the same conundrum Trump just faced: societal collapse through ending the welfare state, or societal collapse through hyper-inflation. Obviously, Hitler chose the third option: kick these degenerates the f~~~ out. And when they refused to go, round ’em up and make them work. And if they don’t work… kill ’em.

    There it is. The “ugly deed” nobody wants to mention.

    Why is the system so deeply entrenched against Trump? Because the system is a parasite living off the welfare state. Print money, give it to the dregs of society, who purchase hollywood media, porn, and big agri-production. All the while the middle class gets crushed like a tin soda can.

    My guess is that 75% of our society is dregs, if you include old people in that figure. Such a high dreg-count is held afloat by oil, robotics, organized data systems, cheap immigrant farm labor (which will soon be replaced by more robotics). These inventions are all products of the white-man’s ingenuity, so it is imperative that the media brainwash the white male with white guilt, for if the white male ever realized his true potential and how he was being enslaved to hold up a gaggle of dregs, he would surely withdraw his power from such a horrible and sickening system.

    When Newt Gingrige said “Trump is not part of their secret societies”, that was in fact the crux of it. The BORG (Banks, Organized Religion, & Government) knows Trump would see with his own eyes what is going on, and has been afraid Trump would reign in the corruption. On the campaign trail Trump talked about “fairness” everyday.

    So gentleman, as I see it, much as we hate Schumer and Pelosi, they did call Trump’s bluff. Trump was up against his final hour of the “shutdown”, Trump probably finally fully understands he has three real options:

    1.) Gradual societal collapse through welfare by inflation.
    2.) Immediate societal collapse through real reform
    3.) The “final solution”: cull the dregs of society through forced emigration and carbon-unit purging of those who refuse to leave.

    My questions to you are:

    1.) Do you agree with my assessment?
    2.) If not, where is my error?
    3.) If so, what do you think Trump should do? And what would YOU do?
    4.) What do you think Trump will eventually do? And what do you think is going to happen?

    #889521
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    Faust For Science
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    There might be a shutdown because the democrats and republicans are loading the budget bill with government pork, along with them adding this:

    Democrats Slip “Poison Pill” into Border Security Plan – That will Prevent Building the Wall (VIDEO)

    Now, about your report. I find it deeply flawed. If the closest comparison to President Trump you can find is Nero and the closest comparison to the situation in the U.S. being pre-World War II Germany, then you need to go back and study history.

    The closest comparison to President Trump in history would likely be Jacques Necker the French Minister of Finance of France under King Louis XVI, right before the state of the French Revolution. At that time, Jacques Necker was likely the only sane person in the French government. He saw what was happening to the French people and he called that the way to fix France’s finances was not to raise taxes on a starving people, but to cut the excesses of the nobility. In response, he was fired.

    Jacques Necker firing and the attempted disbandment of the commons part of the Estates General was what finally set the French Revolution into motion.

    As for the situation in the U.S.

    A lot of comparisons can be made. Such was the bureaucratic corruption of Rome, the paying of foreign enemies that bankrupted Eastern Rome, the allowing foreigners into Western Rome whom later turned on Western Rome, The French aristocracy whom turned hostile and sadist in their mocking insults and cruelty towards the french people with situation actions leading to the French Revolution, etc…

    The truth of the matter is we have a urban fascist movement funded by foreign powers whom hide their fascism and bigotry by accusing their victims of fascism and bigotry. After decades of this abuse, the most rural victims of this fascism have going from a defense only conservative movement to a quasi-Marxist movement whom have gave support that allowed the rise of a true capitalist to power, but a capitalist whom is for populism and nationalism, against the foreign powers pulling the strings of the urban fascist movement.

    The urban fascists are mostly made up of those living off the working class, with said working class being making in rural and small towns, and whom are now a Marx workers revolution.

    In response, the fascists have gone in side and double-down on their tactics. But, they have radicalized their support to the point their movement is turning on themselves.

    The rural Marxist movement welcomes a shutdown because they know a shutdown will hit the urban areas the hardest and any collapse would start in the urban areas, harming those whom have spend decades harming the rural populations.

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    I find it pathetic that democrats can p~~~ away billions of federal funding on a high speed rail in California that won’t ever be completed and it barely makes the news cycle, but Trump wants a few billion to start building a wall on the border and Democrats are willing to fight it tooth and nail like its the end of the world with the full biased blessing of the media behind them.

    #889523
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    Untamed
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    My questions to you are:

    1.) Do you agree with my assessment?
    2.) If not, where is my error?
    3.) If so, what do you think Trump should do? And what would YOU do?
    4.) What do you think Trump will eventually do? And what do you think is going to happen?

    1) I do. Trump didn’t have to “own” the shutdown in the first place.
    3) I think Trump should not include budget for the wall into that spending bill for Congress to vote on. Didn’t he say the “wall would be paid for by Mexico”?? I would simply appropriate the money elsewhere. There is enough money in his corner and entourage and all those business deals he struck to build ten walls.
    4) I think Trump will eventually adopt the “business as usual” attitude and fall in line with the globalists ( in his second term ) or pay for his obstinacy with his life.

    Yet, there is another dimension to world events and his presidency that most people cannot consider or fathom given they are spiritually dead inside. The recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and the fact that he was shown plans for the rebuilding of Solomon’s Temple gives – or should give – every person of faith pause and take notice.
    I will say no more.

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    #889528
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    Sandals
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    The recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and the fact that he was shown plans for the rebuilding of Solomon’s Temple

    Who was shown plans? Trump?

    #889529
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    Sandals
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    you need to go back and study history.

    Thank you. I think you are right. There is always more to learn about his story, and I do find it fascinating and always educational. I will certainly continue to improve my knowledge and understanding of past events.

    Now, about your report. I find it deeply flawed. If the closest comparison to President Trump you can find is Nero and the closest comparison to the situation in the U.S. being pre-World War II Germany, then you need to go back and study history.

    I never quantified my comparison. No such “closest comparison” exclusion exists in my original post. I made “a” comparison, but not necessarily “the closest” comparison. There are many examples of government heads faced with hyper-inflation, and many are valid comparisons, the French revolution being one of them.

    The closest comparison to President Trump in history would likely be Jacques Necker the French Minister of Finance of France under King Louis XVI, right before the state of the French Revolution.

    Well I certainly can’t say the “closest comparison” as that would require me to have all knowledge of all history, and I do admit I am ignorant with regard to having complete knowledge.

    However, I would say you are accurate to point out the French revolution, as it is my understanding that, like Trump, Louis XVI also was not a direct descendant of the royal lineage of Louis XIV. As for all the “welfare” to the nobility, yes that is a good comparison, however, I would argue, based on my limited knowledge of history, that John Law’s inflationary notes from the Louisiana Purchase bonds (read: INFLATION) that created that bubble, that, like all government debt bubbles, had to pop, and did so under Louis XVI. Louis XVI also received many threats on his life from his pre-existing nobility, as does Trump.

    But in truth, Faust, I don’t understand much of what you are saying. I know you are very much still on the Trump train, and certainly Trump is our only hope left. And you probably did not like that I said Trump is not actually a good government negotiator.

    But, emotions aside, you don’t address my point about the recent fake shutdown, and my assertion that Trump just figured out that shutting down the government for more than, specifically, four weeks, will result in catastrophic failure of our society. Would you agree or would you disagree with that point? It has nothing to do with Trump being a good or bad president.

    #889532
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    Untamed
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    The recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and the fact that he was shown plans for the rebuilding of Solomon’s Temple

    Who was shown plans? Trump?

    Yes. He stood at some pulpit in a courtyard somewhere in Israel, presumably Jerusalem, and was surrounded by some priests who were showing him plans for the temple they aim to rebuild.

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    #889593
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    But in truth, Faust, I don’t understand much of what you are saying. I know you are very much still on the Trump train, and certainly Trump is our only hope left.

    Look at President Trump opponents. They are going full radical on their beliefs. The 2020 Democrat Presidential Primary is look like a bidding war as to who can be the most tyrannical in their beliefs.

    The recent the democrat plans and proposals want to ban all technology for the common people, taxing meat to the point all the common people cannot affording to eat meat, show hypocrisy in the extreme on drug and racial issues.

    And you probably did not like that I said Trump is not actually a good government negotiator.

    One cannot negotiate with people whom refuse to talk to you. Communication is a requirement for negotiation. We have seen President Trump is a skill negotiator in how he handed the North Korea situation. War has been averted, North Korea and South Korea are talking to each other and taking joint actions to open their shared border and President Trump has schedule another meeting with the North Korea leader, Kim.

    #889714
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    Sandals wrote: The so-called government shutdown never happened. It lasted less than a month, everyone still went to work, they all got back-pay for all their hours, and not one single government employee missed a mortgage payment.

    It was a PARTIAL government shutdown. All the really important bits with authorization to shoot people, were still open for business.

    And no, everyone still did NOT go to work, about 380,000 federal ‘workers’ were furloughed.

    Nancy Piglosi and her puppet Chuckles Schumer, remained unified. The shutdown ended because it was damaging Trump and the Republicans politically. Had it gone on too long, a budget would have been passed and Trump’s veto over-ridden by Republican votes — to save their own hides.

    Beer writes: I find it pathetic that democrats can p~~~ away billions of federal funding on a high speed rail in California that won’t ever be completed and it barely makes the news cycle, but Trump wants a few billion to start building a wall on the border and Democrats are willing to fight it tooth and nail like its the end of the world with the full biased blessing of the media behind them

    This battle wasn’t about substance; the Wall is another federal boondoggle. It was about DENYING the President a political victory. Remember, the Dumbocrats have voted for security fencing in the past.

    It is analagous to the Holy Grail of repealing Obamacare. No Republicans talked about repealing the Medicaid drug benefit, did they? That’s because the Republicans passed that HUGE expansion of government into health care, back in 2006. Conclusion: They love Big Government, as long as the W. and their leadership sponsors it.

    I was actually impressed when, a few days ago the California governor Newsom said high speed rail would take too long and cost too much… But then he backtracked, so I think I’ll now call him Gov. NewSOB. The high speed rail has been very corrupt, and very politicized.

    And yes, as the shutdown dragged on, eventually the Federal Gov. would NOT be able to send MY TAX MONEY out — no checks for lazy asses collecting fraudulent disability (many Republicans). No checks for asshats in rural areas collecting farm subsidies (Republicans). No checks for government workers (democrat asshats, primarily). And no checks for EBT (Eating Better than You, mostly urban Democrat asshats). So a long-duration shutdown is VERY unpopular for ANYBODY sucking on the government’s big tit.

    I disagree this would be a catastrophe economically, at least immediately — but politically, the Republicans would be blamed, and thrown out of office. And the Democrats would certainly expand government even more once elected. Just like the REPUBLICANS have been expanding it (spending and deficits are UP UP UP and away. Trump and the Republicans don’t give a S~~~ about deficits).

    Sure Hitler killed Jews, but the number has been inflated by propaganda. The estimate is 600,000, not 6 million, which is the propagandized number. Also, Hilter didn’t kill all the Jews, only some Jews. Hitler had lists. And it wasn’t just Jews. Hitler had “Mercy killings” of disabled people, and killed many people, including non-Jewish people, and fought wars with Christian and atheist armies.

    What ‘estimate’ is 600,000?
    Certainly not the internal GERMAN estimates DURING the war: 1.27 MM killed at Majdanek, Bełżec, Sobibor, Treblinka and that was only up to Dec 1942. Read the Höfle Telegram, Korherr Report, etc.
    Or read Himmler’s report of 363,211 Jews executed in Aug-Nov 1942 ALONE… Rudimentary history. That said, some atrocities receive great coverage, others, virtually none. Stalin killed about 4 MM Ukrainians in the Holodomor, a planned famine of the 1930’s. And nobody talks about that.

    Or, in the case of Hitler, a third option: clean this s~~~ up. In Hitler’s day, homosexuality was rampant in the media, there was whoring and degeneracy all over, and good clean morality was being trampled on, in exactly the way it is here in the US today.

    Maybe it’s just me, but the millions worked to death and gassed in the camps, seems a more pressing matter than libertine, consensual sexuality. I think whoring should be legal, gassing Jews illegal; you seem to believe the opposite.

    I have to believe that Hitler was staring down the same conundrum Trump just faced: societal collapse through ending the welfare state, or societal collapse through hyper-inflation. Obviously, Hitler chose the third option: kick these degenerates the f~~~ out. And when they refused to go, round ’em up and make them work. And if they don’t work… kill ’em.

    Nazi Germany under the Führer WAS a welfare-warfare state! It had old age insurance, rent supplements, unemployment and disability benefits, old-age homes and interest-free loans for married couples, along with healthcare insurance, which was decreed mandatory in 1941! Führercare anyone? How is kicking ‘degenerates’ out, while still maintaining a massive, unaffordable welfare-warfare State a ‘3rd option’? Hitler banned all private charities, and politicized charity in the process. Remember, it’s called National SOCIALISM for a reason.

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    All the people who helped him get elected have been arrested and their lives are ruined.

    I believe much of Trump’s campaign success was due to alt tech media. The rise of the Youtube intellectuals. This coincided with the explosion of MGTOW content on youtube as well.

    We have watched as the Media and Big Tech have taken steps to make sure this never happens again. They demonetized all of this content. Then they just started de-platforming people under the excuse of censorship “muh hatespeech.” Now they are even arresting and SWAT teaming Trump supporters like Roger Stone. Wearing a MAGA hat in public will get you attacked, threatened, and harassed (look at the Covington Boys).

    All of this has happened in 2 years with Trump doing nothing about it. He has refused to defend the people that supported him look at what has happened to Alex Jones.

    1.) Do you agree with my assessment?
    2.) If not, where is my error?
    3.) If so, what do you think Trump should do? And what would YOU do?
    4.) What do you think Trump will eventually do? And what do you think is going to happen?

    1) For the most part I do agree. A full blown shutdown would have triggered a chain reaction of bad things to happen. S~~~ could have hit the fan very quickly.

    3) Trump is in a hard situation. We have had almost 100 years of Globalist control of the USA. This cannot be undone overnight. We have “The Deep State” that is well entrenched and still very much in power. At the very least Trump will have to do something about Alt Tech Censorship and de-platforming. He must make the argument that these things are like public utilities. Alex Jones needs to be reinstated on social media same thing with Sargon and the others. This is critical to Trump maintaining his support since 90% of the media is Anti-Trump all day long.

    4) I think Trump will either totally compromise with The Deep State and let all the Neocons back in. Or aggressively dismantle the Deep State at risk of assassination. He may not have the power to do this as president though. If he goes to war with the Deep State he may end up having to use his emergency powers. This could be our Julius Caesar moment. Trump crushes the Deep State, but ends up being the first “Emperor of America” only to see everything we fought for slide into oblivion a few generations later (when we get our Caligula and Nero).

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    Sure Hitler killed Jews, but the number has been inflated by propaganda. The estimate is 600,000, not 6 million, which is the propagandized number.

    Not sure where you got that figure from. Even David Irving the foremost expert on the Holocaust put the figure much higher than that. Certainly not 6 Million though. No Gas Chambers were used to kill anybody. Gas chambers were used to fumigate clothing for lice and other such parasites. The Gas Chambers myth is pure Soviet Propaganda.

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    I think Trump is a good negotiator and good at running the government like it’s a business. Where I think he lacks is in political strategy and controlling his emotions.

    His accomplishments have really been in 2 areas, removing regulations and tariff/trade agreements. And both of these where things he had pretty much autonomous control over. Other politicians couldn’t really interfere with this. He is credited with the tax cuts, but this really has republican MO written all over it. It went in without a hitch because Republican politicians want this as a win to get donations. Democrats don’t really care too much as they can overturn it when they regain power for an easy win, and it’s something they can rally against. The back and forth taxes is nothing new for US politics.

    He’s been unable to make any ground on immigration because he has absolutely zero leverage to get it done. Democrats and Republicans don’t want to stop immigration. They both have a vested interest in keeping it going. If Republicans actually want to stop illegal immigration, why haven’t they ever done anything about it, ever? They did not try it get it done when they controlled both houses and the Presidency? Why is Trump the only one who’s making any statements and doing anything? Why are republicans allowing this nonsense of a bill to go through, when it makes the illegal immigration situation worse and is loaded with pork? They clearly don’t give a s~~~.

    So what should the president do? Stop negotiating and just do his job. And his job includes vetoing s~~~ting bills like the one currently on his desk. Veto the s~~~ out of it and make it public that he was elected to protect the the US and look out for the good of the people. Send me a bill that gets the people back to work, and nothing else, and I’ll happily sign it. Override my veto if you want, but I’m not screwing over the tax payers and voters anymore

    Then go build the wall, let them sue if they want to. If you can’t do it, then fine, put all the pressure back on the legislature…to do the damn job they were elected to do.

    The reality is that the federal government doesn’t work the people, not even close. The elected politicians simply posture and promise to get your vote, while working to gain power for themselves. Both sides. They’ll happily lie if it wins votes. They no people are more interested in hating the other side, then putting in any effort to consider the truth.

    I also think Trump should consider his party affiliation before the next election. The republicans are not his friends or allies, they only share a common enemy at times. He has a better chance of re-election as a republican, but he will be stuck trying to get things done with the swamp if he continues this way. If he starts his own party, or perhaps joins libertarians, than he has a chance of getting some useless Republicans removed and some real allies in the legislature. Probably wouldn’t get anything more done, probably will split some votes, but it gives people some real representation in the future.

    Ok. Then do it.

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    Sure Hitler killed Jews, but the number has been inflated by propaganda. The estimate is 600,000, not 6 million, which is the propagandized number.

    Not sure where you got that figure from. Even David Irving the foremost expert on the Holocaust put the figure much higher than that. Certainly not 6 Million though. No Gas Chambers were used to kill anybody. Gas chambers were used to fumigate clothing for lice and other such parasites. The Gas Chambers myth is pure Soviet Propaganda.
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    Irving is no ‘expert’ on the Holocaust. He is a self-described ‘moderate fascist’ who had a ‘spiritual experience’ when he visited the Fuhrer’s bavarian mountaintop retreat.

    He’s a Hitler fanboy. And revisionist historian — since about the mid 1980’s when he fully came out as such. In Hitler’s War, he claimed the Fuhrer did not even know of the Holocaust.

    This is a good link to a primary source (Himmler reporting to Fuhrer on Holocaust progress) demonstrating that as false: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Himmler_report.jpg — denied in Irving’s work. And that is one of MANY.

    ‘Lying About Hitler’, is a good book about the Irving trial.

    The gas chambers are well-corroborated history, in the Hoess Memoirs, and elsewhere, e.g. https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/index.html

    I have also personally met individuals who have corroborated the gas chambers AND mobile gas chambers… and they were Germans — not Jewish, not Poles, and not Russians.

    In the East, many Jews were simply shot. Commisars, communist officials, gypsies, homosexuals, and many others were killed during the Reich as well.

    Narwhal writes: His accomplishments have really been in 2 areas, removing regulations and tariff/trade agreements.

    What regulations have been ‘removed’? https://regulatorystudies.columbian.gwu.edu/reg-stats I WILL credit the President and Republicans with instituting far fewer NEW ‘significant final rules’ (particularly economically damaging red tape) But if you look at these charts, agency staffing and budgets, are all up, up, and away. To be fair, it is a long process to deregulate; there is a public comment period to eliminate regulations, often a year or longer. He DID at least get net neutrality repealed.

    Without a major realignment in American politics, he could get nothing passed by allying himself with libertarians such as myself. And he is no libertarian. Look at his AG pick, Sessions — a true Drug Warrior. Or John Bolton as his National Security Advisor — this is the guy that STILL thinks the Iraq War was a good idea — hardly a non-interventionist.

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